1
00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:32,889
[Music]

2
00:00:32,899 --> 00:00:36,690
thank you foreign

3
00:00:36,700 --> 00:00:41,350
[Music]

4
00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:44,030
Air Forces has announced that a flying

5
00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:46,200
disc has been found and is now in the

6
00:00:52,729 --> 00:00:48,260
possession of the army

7
00:00:55,430 --> 00:00:52,739
change the game game changer I

8
00:00:59,270 --> 00:00:55,440
occasionally think how quickly our

9
00:01:01,910 --> 00:00:59,280
differences worldwide would vanish if we

10
00:01:02,930 --> 00:01:01,920
were facing an alien threat from outside

11
00:01:04,740 --> 00:01:02,940
this work

12
00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:04,750
[Music]

13
00:01:07,270 --> 00:01:04,930
[Applause]

14
00:01:10,250 --> 00:01:07,280
[Music]

15
00:01:13,070 --> 00:01:10,260
this is Fade to Black with your host

16
00:01:13,690 --> 00:01:13,080
Jimmy Church on the game changer Radio

17
00:01:19,630 --> 00:01:13,700
Network

18
00:01:25,310 --> 00:01:22,969
ah all right yeah

19
00:01:27,469 --> 00:01:25,320
Fade to Black I am your host Timmy

20
00:01:29,270 --> 00:01:27,479
church tonight John Greenwald is with us

21
00:01:33,910 --> 00:01:29,280
of The Black Vault

22
00:01:37,789 --> 00:01:33,920
uh today's Wednesday November 30th 2022

23
00:01:40,670 --> 00:01:37,799
and for those that don't know John

24
00:01:45,310 --> 00:01:40,680
um is the purveyor

25
00:01:50,450 --> 00:01:45,320
the guy behind The Black Vault since

26
00:01:53,690 --> 00:01:50,460
1996 and the age of 15 he has been a

27
00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:53,700
pest to all of the government agencies

28
00:02:00,410 --> 00:01:56,640
the dod Washington DC on many different

29
00:02:04,429 --> 00:02:00,420
issues and and conspiracies uh with his

30
00:02:07,990 --> 00:02:04,439
Freedom of Information Act campaign and

31
00:02:11,510 --> 00:02:08,000
posting those confirmed documents online

32
00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:11,520
and uh it's been a great ride and he's

33
00:02:15,530 --> 00:02:13,440
very important not only to me but the

34
00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:15,540
rest of the community and so let's get

35
00:02:19,309 --> 00:02:17,700
straight to it tonight John welcome back

36
00:02:21,589 --> 00:02:19,319
to fade to black how you doing my man

37
00:02:23,330 --> 00:02:21,599
I'm doing good thank you for that intro

38
00:02:25,850 --> 00:02:23,340
always uh always good to be here I'm

39
00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:25,860
excited and congrats on the new format

40
00:02:32,869 --> 00:02:28,140
by the way very cool yeah well that

41
00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:32,879
entitles you to a an Abridged bio yeah

42
00:02:37,190 --> 00:02:35,160
which is which is great I'm pretty

43
00:02:39,170 --> 00:02:37,200
long-winded it may come as a shock to

44
00:02:40,610 --> 00:02:39,180
some people well you know your dad's

45
00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:40,620
probably listening tonight as he always

46
00:02:47,030 --> 00:02:43,080
does and he's like where's where's the

47
00:02:48,650 --> 00:02:47,040
long bio where's Mike's bio so we should

48
00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:48,660
call Dad next time have him do the bio

49
00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:51,120
yeah I would love that you'd need a five

50
00:02:55,970 --> 00:02:53,400
hour show for that one if you think I'm

51
00:02:56,869 --> 00:02:55,980
long-winded God bless you dad you got it

52
00:03:01,009 --> 00:02:56,879
from you

53
00:03:02,990 --> 00:03:01,019
the DNA man absolutely far from the tree

54
00:03:05,449 --> 00:03:03,000
um you know here's the thing we've got

55
00:03:07,970 --> 00:03:05,459
so much to discuss tonight and I'm glad

56
00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:07,980
that we can do it in uh you know the new

57
00:03:13,130 --> 00:03:10,140
format and and things because we can

58
00:03:16,490 --> 00:03:13,140
just keep uh our our minds locked and

59
00:03:19,369 --> 00:03:16,500
and move forward but I want to say this

60
00:03:22,610 --> 00:03:19,379
um and I'm sure that I've said this

61
00:03:25,009 --> 00:03:22,620
before either on this program or to you

62
00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:25,019
privately but I'm it it it's it's worth

63
00:03:29,990 --> 00:03:26,640
repeating

64
00:03:31,070 --> 00:03:30,000
um which is the internet in 1996 was a

65
00:03:34,130 --> 00:03:31,080
different animal

66
00:03:36,290 --> 00:03:34,140
and it was a pretty mysterious and it

67
00:03:38,690 --> 00:03:36,300
was also difficult right the lack of

68
00:03:40,729 --> 00:03:38,700
search engines and and and everything

69
00:03:42,649 --> 00:03:40,739
else that was going on dial-up modems

70
00:03:45,289 --> 00:03:42,659
and and things

71
00:03:49,369 --> 00:03:45,299
um but when I found the black vault

72
00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:49,379
which was probably as you launched it

73
00:03:54,830 --> 00:03:51,720
um I thought of a few different things

74
00:03:56,509 --> 00:03:54,840
number one holy crap this is what the

75
00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:56,519
internet is about the top secret stuff

76
00:04:02,990 --> 00:03:59,640
right I mean it was such a mysterious

77
00:04:05,449 --> 00:04:03,000
place there was that and then I also

78
00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:05,459
felt and it was because of the title

79
00:04:11,750 --> 00:04:09,599
right The Black Vault that if I'm you

80
00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:11,760
know surfing through your stuff and

81
00:04:15,410 --> 00:04:14,400
looking at these documents that at any

82
00:04:19,009 --> 00:04:15,420
moment I'm going to have somebody

83
00:04:21,710 --> 00:04:19,019
knocking at my door right and and I

84
00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:21,720
really felt that you were breaking that

85
00:04:28,870 --> 00:04:24,740
kind of ground and laws for that matter

86
00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:28,880
and uh uh and here we are it's

87
00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:33,240
2022 moving into 23 three if things are

88
00:04:40,070 --> 00:04:35,960
bigger and better than they've ever been

89
00:04:42,770 --> 00:04:40,080
did you two questions one did you expect

90
00:04:45,590 --> 00:04:42,780
it to last this long and to be as

91
00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:45,600
successful as it is that's number one

92
00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:48,560
um and number two have you had an MIB

93
00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:52,139
experience I I just called uh I called

94
00:04:59,510 --> 00:04:55,800
you Vib vault in Black you have Alton

95
00:05:01,909 --> 00:04:59,520
black yeah um so I'll deal with the

96
00:05:04,850 --> 00:05:01,919
latter question first no I I've and

97
00:05:08,270 --> 00:05:04,860
that's always surprised me but let me

98
00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:08,280
let me say why I say that not the Men in

99
00:05:13,730 --> 00:05:10,880
Black and the Mysterious conspiracy way

100
00:05:15,770 --> 00:05:13,740
but rather just just more of the

101
00:05:17,990 --> 00:05:15,780
generalized government person knocking

102
00:05:20,210 --> 00:05:18,000
on the door because I got something on

103
00:05:21,890 --> 00:05:20,220
accident we have to keep in mind that

104
00:05:23,749 --> 00:05:21,900
foia officers are human they make

105
00:05:26,029 --> 00:05:23,759
mistakes even though there's a lot of

106
00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:26,039
processes that they follow to declassify

107
00:05:31,310 --> 00:05:29,580
documents stuff can slip out it's no

108
00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:31,320
secret although I don't talk about about

109
00:05:35,270 --> 00:05:32,960
it often

110
00:05:39,890 --> 00:05:35,280
there have been mistakes made before

111
00:05:41,870 --> 00:05:39,900
I've done over ten thousand requests and

112
00:05:43,969 --> 00:05:41,880
I can count on one hand how many

113
00:05:47,330 --> 00:05:43,979
mistakes there have been when it when it

114
00:05:49,249 --> 00:05:47,340
gets into accidental releases

115
00:05:52,870 --> 00:05:49,259
um but I always comply giving it back

116
00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:52,880
but I always wanted uh uh to understand

117
00:05:56,930 --> 00:05:54,960
if something like that happened but they

118
00:05:59,390 --> 00:05:56,940
knock on the door and and when it did I

119
00:06:01,550 --> 00:05:59,400
won't say it was classified highly top

120
00:06:03,409 --> 00:06:01,560
secret or anything like that but there

121
00:06:07,370 --> 00:06:03,419
was Exempted information that that came

122
00:06:09,409 --> 00:06:07,380
my way and again I got contacted but no

123
00:06:11,510 --> 00:06:09,419
knock on the door that has never

124
00:06:13,430 --> 00:06:11,520
happened I've never had any threats

125
00:06:16,249 --> 00:06:13,440
official threats from the government

126
00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:16,259
I've had people come after me you know

127
00:06:20,930 --> 00:06:18,780
with threats on the internet but but

128
00:06:22,670 --> 00:06:20,940
nothing MIB wise in the way that that

129
00:06:25,850 --> 00:06:22,680
you're asking

130
00:06:27,010 --> 00:06:25,860
um the first part of your question did I

131
00:06:31,430 --> 00:06:27,020
ever expect

132
00:06:34,370 --> 00:06:31,440
26 years after I started that I would be

133
00:06:36,070 --> 00:06:34,380
still here uh in The Black Vault version

134
00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:36,080
100.5

135
00:06:42,710 --> 00:06:39,840
versus what it used to be in 1.0 I would

136
00:06:46,189 --> 00:06:42,720
say you're you're crazy but I have

137
00:06:49,610 --> 00:06:46,199
absolutely loved what I've what I've

138
00:06:52,129 --> 00:06:49,620
been able to do it's fun it's it's

139
00:06:53,809 --> 00:06:52,139
driven by my curiosity I'm not a

140
00:06:56,689 --> 00:06:53,819
quote-unquote experiencer when it comes

141
00:06:58,070 --> 00:06:56,699
to the UFO stuff and the reason why I

142
00:06:59,570 --> 00:06:58,080
say that is a lot of people get into

143
00:07:02,390 --> 00:06:59,580
this field because they've had an

144
00:07:04,969 --> 00:07:02,400
experience of some kind and that's just

145
00:07:07,309 --> 00:07:04,979
not me I mean I've been fascinated by

146
00:07:08,870 --> 00:07:07,319
government secrets UFOs has always been

147
00:07:11,210 --> 00:07:08,880
a personal favorite of mine but I deal

148
00:07:13,730 --> 00:07:11,220
with everything I just never thought it

149
00:07:16,249 --> 00:07:13,740
would be this long that I would stick

150
00:07:20,629 --> 00:07:16,259
with it but it's it's too much fun it

151
00:07:22,969 --> 00:07:20,639
creates so many fun conversations so

152
00:07:25,309 --> 00:07:22,979
many questions are created by looking at

153
00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:25,319
that information and I can't let it go I

154
00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:26,880
don't get bored with it you know and if

155
00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:28,560
I do get bored periodically with a

156
00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:31,199
certain topic I have like 30 000 other

157
00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:33,660
topics that you can choose from when it

158
00:07:37,189 --> 00:07:35,639
comes to government secrets so there's

159
00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:37,199
never a shortage of what you can go

160
00:07:43,129 --> 00:07:40,319
after and uh do I think I'll be here in

161
00:07:47,150 --> 00:07:43,139
another 26 years if I'm alive very

162
00:07:50,809 --> 00:07:47,160
likely so yeah it seems that way and how

163
00:07:52,909 --> 00:07:50,819
was how was the party changed and and I

164
00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:52,919
do mean the festive part of this

165
00:07:59,029 --> 00:07:55,860
environment the party in that

166
00:08:01,610 --> 00:07:59,039
um in in the 90s there were a lot of

167
00:08:03,170 --> 00:08:01,620
explosive things that were were taking

168
00:08:05,930 --> 00:08:03,180
off

169
00:08:07,969 --> 00:08:05,940
um you had without going down a long

170
00:08:11,029 --> 00:08:07,979
list of stuff but

171
00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:11,039
um you had mj-12 uh you had project

172
00:08:19,969 --> 00:08:15,740
serpo you had uh the alien autopsy video

173
00:08:21,950 --> 00:08:19,979
you had Area 51 and Bob Lazar you know

174
00:08:24,110 --> 00:08:21,960
and and the UFO subject in general

175
00:08:28,129 --> 00:08:24,120
because of the internet

176
00:08:29,629 --> 00:08:28,139
um today we've got like real genuine

177
00:08:31,309 --> 00:08:29,639
because all of the other stuff from the

178
00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:31,319
government back then turned out to be

179
00:08:36,829 --> 00:08:34,440
either a smoke screen or a hoax as

180
00:08:39,409 --> 00:08:36,839
opposed to today where we're making

181
00:08:41,510 --> 00:08:39,419
genuine strides forward

182
00:08:44,389 --> 00:08:41,520
um how has it changed for you

183
00:08:46,130 --> 00:08:44,399
well I I always look at with the

184
00:08:48,290 --> 00:08:46,140
conversation morphing the way that it

185
00:08:49,430 --> 00:08:48,300
has that's a positive and I think that

186
00:08:52,670 --> 00:08:49,440
that's good

187
00:08:54,290 --> 00:08:52,680
from 1996 to 2022 the internet is a much

188
00:08:57,170 --> 00:08:54,300
different Beast so people can

189
00:08:58,850 --> 00:08:57,180
communicate and share information you

190
00:09:01,730 --> 00:08:58,860
know with the click of a mouse across

191
00:09:04,389 --> 00:09:01,740
the planet so even with just that the

192
00:09:07,130 --> 00:09:04,399
data sharing and everything has created

193
00:09:09,050 --> 00:09:07,140
a much more interesting experience when

194
00:09:11,210 --> 00:09:09,060
it comes to this topic and sharing

195
00:09:13,430 --> 00:09:11,220
information but I would still say that

196
00:09:16,130 --> 00:09:13,440
you still have a level of hoaxers out

197
00:09:17,990 --> 00:09:16,140
there and by sheer number you would have

198
00:09:20,150 --> 00:09:18,000
a lot more nowadays you have a lot more

199
00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:20,160
mud so you have a lot of positive stuff

200
00:09:24,230 --> 00:09:22,200
going on but in the same respect you

201
00:09:26,690 --> 00:09:24,240
have this whole opposite end of the

202
00:09:31,550 --> 00:09:26,700
Spectrum which is the

203
00:09:34,070 --> 00:09:31,560
the ease of monetizing hoaxes and that's

204
00:09:37,430 --> 00:09:34,080
easily provable you look at YouTube you

205
00:09:38,810 --> 00:09:37,440
know I I you or any researcher in this

206
00:09:40,970 --> 00:09:38,820
field can put up something pretty

207
00:09:42,829 --> 00:09:40,980
interesting verifiable and you might get

208
00:09:45,050 --> 00:09:42,839
a hundred thousand views if you put

209
00:09:48,170 --> 00:09:45,060
something fake up and it looks you know

210
00:09:51,110 --> 00:09:48,180
outrageously cool but it's a fake you

211
00:09:53,690 --> 00:09:51,120
get 10 million views and you make a

212
00:09:55,910 --> 00:09:53,700
thousand times you know the money where

213
00:09:59,389 --> 00:09:55,920
I'm going with this is that monetization

214
00:10:01,130 --> 00:09:59,399
has created an army of people that don't

215
00:10:04,130 --> 00:10:01,140
care about the information that's put

216
00:10:05,870 --> 00:10:04,140
forward they just don't I mean

217
00:10:08,690 --> 00:10:05,880
you look at some of the channels out

218
00:10:11,509 --> 00:10:08,700
there they care more about their views

219
00:10:13,970 --> 00:10:11,519
and clicks and and just putting whatever

220
00:10:15,949 --> 00:10:13,980
they can out there uh because that's

221
00:10:18,710 --> 00:10:15,959
what they do and they make a a good

222
00:10:21,769 --> 00:10:18,720
living off of it so you have both ends

223
00:10:23,269 --> 00:10:21,779
of the spectrum here in 2022 where yes

224
00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:23,279
there's a lot of great stuff happening

225
00:10:28,370 --> 00:10:26,279
uh but sadly there's a lot of mud that

226
00:10:30,530 --> 00:10:28,380
you have to sift through I'm not saying

227
00:10:33,350 --> 00:10:30,540
it was any better a couple decades ago

228
00:10:36,829 --> 00:10:33,360
but at least you had a little bit less

229
00:10:41,570 --> 00:10:36,839
mud to have to Wade through uh to get

230
00:10:43,670 --> 00:10:41,580
through this and you had more of a

231
00:10:45,410 --> 00:10:43,680
I would say an effort to try and

232
00:10:47,569 --> 00:10:45,420
investigate this you know you look at at

233
00:10:49,430 --> 00:10:47,579
Legends like Stanton Friedman we may not

234
00:10:50,990 --> 00:10:49,440
agree on ultimately if the mj-12

235
00:10:53,509 --> 00:10:51,000
documents were real or not or whatever

236
00:10:55,490 --> 00:10:53,519
but you cannot hide from the fact that

237
00:10:57,889 --> 00:10:55,500
that man put boots on the ground and he

238
00:11:00,230 --> 00:10:57,899
flew to places going through archives

239
00:11:01,790 --> 00:11:00,240
going through documents he put in that

240
00:11:04,790 --> 00:11:01,800
leg work and came up with the conclusion

241
00:11:07,009 --> 00:11:04,800
that he did that's research how many

242
00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:07,019
times do you see that today right you

243
00:11:13,009 --> 00:11:08,760
don't you just don't see it a lot it's

244
00:11:16,069 --> 00:11:13,019
just very few people so you know to your

245
00:11:17,870 --> 00:11:16,079
question it's great and exciting but in

246
00:11:19,550 --> 00:11:17,880
the same respect we have to be cautious

247
00:11:21,130 --> 00:11:19,560
with the stories that were being

248
00:11:24,290 --> 00:11:21,140
presented

249
00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:24,300
the uh the other side of this and then

250
00:11:28,370 --> 00:11:26,399
we're going to get into uh what's going

251
00:11:32,569 --> 00:11:28,380
on right now but the other side of this

252
00:11:38,090 --> 00:11:32,579
when you were uh doing a foia request in

253
00:11:41,690 --> 00:11:38,100
1996 1997 and if you're UFO or whatever

254
00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:41,700
your your terms were back then

255
00:11:46,310 --> 00:11:44,880
um that was more of a historical

256
00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:46,320
perspective

257
00:11:52,009 --> 00:11:49,980
where today when you're doing I don't

258
00:11:54,290 --> 00:11:52,019
know what your Search terms are but but

259
00:11:58,009 --> 00:11:54,300
it's different right now you're going

260
00:12:00,230 --> 00:11:58,019
after real communique about uaps and

261
00:12:02,870 --> 00:12:00,240
UFOs and videos and statements and

262
00:12:05,509 --> 00:12:02,880
emails that's a it's got to be a whole

263
00:12:07,970 --> 00:12:05,519
different feeling for you it is because

264
00:12:10,370 --> 00:12:07,980
because and you're right a lot of what I

265
00:12:12,350 --> 00:12:10,380
was going after before were decades old

266
00:12:14,569 --> 00:12:12,360
right what was interesting though was

267
00:12:17,269 --> 00:12:14,579
that the the scope of my research so

268
00:12:20,030 --> 00:12:17,279
going prior to 2017

269
00:12:22,069 --> 00:12:20,040
was essentially proving a very provable

270
00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:22,079
reality which was they were still

271
00:12:26,630 --> 00:12:24,720
interested in UFOs after their Project

272
00:12:29,150 --> 00:12:26,640
Blue Book investigation that stopped in

273
00:12:31,370 --> 00:12:29,160
69. for some that sounds a little snoozy

274
00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:31,380
because it's way back in 1969 into the

275
00:12:36,410 --> 00:12:34,320
70s ah who cares but it really shows

276
00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:36,420
that this these phenomena never went

277
00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:39,420
away that they were being archived

278
00:12:45,110 --> 00:12:42,000
within the the documentation of the CIA

279
00:12:50,050 --> 00:12:45,120
the DIA all well past what they wanted

280
00:12:53,090 --> 00:12:50,060
to admit to so in 2017 came around uh

281
00:12:54,949 --> 00:12:53,100
partly in October of that year but then

282
00:12:57,769 --> 00:12:54,959
obviously it drilled home in December

283
00:12:59,389 --> 00:12:57,779
that there was the secret UFO effort at

284
00:13:02,449 --> 00:12:59,399
least that's what was being reported

285
00:13:04,730 --> 00:13:02,459
that was incredibly exciting because now

286
00:13:07,190 --> 00:13:04,740
it put all those puzzle pieces back into

287
00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,200
play but then opened up a whole new

288
00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:09,600
world where you can then take those old

289
00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:11,820
puzzle pieces and start going after the

290
00:13:17,990 --> 00:13:13,560
new ones and see how everything connects

291
00:13:20,389 --> 00:13:18,000
see how things uh maybe uh coincide with

292
00:13:22,910 --> 00:13:20,399
each other or do they reflect the same

293
00:13:25,730 --> 00:13:22,920
types of phenomena do they differ

294
00:13:28,009 --> 00:13:25,740
entirely it it what I thought was going

295
00:13:29,810 --> 00:13:28,019
to open up a whole new world but now

296
00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:29,820
fast forward a couple years it's kind of

297
00:13:35,150 --> 00:13:32,220
a nightmare to try and figure out what

298
00:13:36,949 --> 00:13:35,160
happened during that initial uh I say

299
00:13:38,509 --> 00:13:36,959
quote unquote UFO program because we

300
00:13:40,790 --> 00:13:38,519
just don't have any reports or anything

301
00:13:43,009 --> 00:13:40,800
like that like we did through Project

302
00:13:45,050 --> 00:13:43,019
Blue Book we have a couple videos and

303
00:13:47,810 --> 00:13:45,060
that's the extent of what we have

304
00:13:50,629 --> 00:13:47,820
so it morphed then but then morphed

305
00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:50,639
again once the UAP task force came

306
00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:54,060
around and then morphed yet again once

307
00:13:58,009 --> 00:13:55,980
Arrow kind of came around and it's still

308
00:14:00,650 --> 00:13:58,019
arguably getting on its feet

309
00:14:03,470 --> 00:14:00,660
and why I'm saying it that way is that

310
00:14:05,870 --> 00:14:03,480
each approach was different and each way

311
00:14:08,269 --> 00:14:05,880
you go after information through foia

312
00:14:10,490 --> 00:14:08,279
sadly it's not as easy as a keyword

313
00:14:12,910 --> 00:14:10,500
search if you're doing a foia request

314
00:14:17,090 --> 00:14:12,920
for emails yes then keywords take play

315
00:14:19,850 --> 00:14:17,100
but it's really following Paper Trails

316
00:14:22,970 --> 00:14:19,860
and figuring out all of these different

317
00:14:26,690 --> 00:14:22,980
puzzle pieces a prime example is the

318
00:14:28,730 --> 00:14:26,700
2021 UAP report I first read it we all

319
00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:28,740
got upset I you know put digitally

320
00:14:32,449 --> 00:14:30,060
through it against the wall and said

321
00:14:34,490 --> 00:14:32,459
this is ridiculous and then you take a

322
00:14:37,490 --> 00:14:34,500
deep breath you go back and read it that

323
00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:37,500
report stemmed more than 50 foia

324
00:14:44,030 --> 00:14:40,139
requests that I had filed to kind of

325
00:14:46,310 --> 00:14:44,040
Trace down every single uh

326
00:14:49,610 --> 00:14:46,320
Lane every single branch of the tree

327
00:14:52,910 --> 00:14:49,620
every single puzzle piece so my whole

328
00:14:56,210 --> 00:14:52,920
point with this is you have to adapt to

329
00:14:59,569 --> 00:14:56,220
the the day and and things constantly

330
00:15:02,030 --> 00:14:59,579
change on how this is being uh presented

331
00:15:03,710 --> 00:15:02,040
to all of us and we just have to adapt

332
00:15:07,069 --> 00:15:03,720
in the process whether we're doing foia

333
00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:07,079
or just thinking about it it is changing

334
00:15:13,189 --> 00:15:09,480
all the time and it's it's fascinating a

335
00:15:14,629 --> 00:15:13,199
month ago uh you did you did a post

336
00:15:17,150 --> 00:15:14,639
I think we talked on the phone

337
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:17,160
immediately after that

338
00:15:21,290 --> 00:15:20,399
um uh that about the report the new

339
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:21,300
report

340
00:15:27,290 --> 00:15:24,959
and that 100 use these are your words

341
00:15:29,090 --> 00:15:27,300
right I'm paraphrasing but uh you know

342
00:15:31,670 --> 00:15:29,100
hundreds of cases hundreds of videos

343
00:15:34,250 --> 00:15:31,680
hundreds of photographs whatever right

344
00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:34,260
and but you said

345
00:15:41,990 --> 00:15:37,920
um you will comment about what you know

346
00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:42,000
yes all right so take me back to that or

347
00:15:48,350 --> 00:15:45,480
what did you know when you did that uh

348
00:15:49,550 --> 00:15:48,360
that post yeah so that was uh either

349
00:15:51,949 --> 00:15:49,560
Thanksgiving Day or the day after

350
00:15:53,870 --> 00:15:51,959
Thanksgiving and I I think a couple

351
00:15:56,449 --> 00:15:53,880
people have been disgruntled at me

352
00:15:58,910 --> 00:15:56,459
because they feel that was a tease it's

353
00:16:02,329 --> 00:15:58,920
not a tease that's the lead the lead is

354
00:16:04,430 --> 00:16:02,339
is that it is now verifiable with

355
00:16:06,350 --> 00:16:04,440
documentation so I'm not I'm not saying

356
00:16:07,730 --> 00:16:06,360
it's a secret Source like this is

357
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,740
through a legal case that I have with

358
00:16:12,290 --> 00:16:10,320
the Department of Defense uh namely the

359
00:16:15,050 --> 00:16:12,300
uh Office of the Secretary of Defense

360
00:16:17,329 --> 00:16:15,060
Joint Chiefs of Staff and in this case

361
00:16:21,769 --> 00:16:17,339
one of the line items that I had asked

362
00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:21,779
for was a copy of every photograph

363
00:16:26,269 --> 00:16:24,060
and video

364
00:16:28,670 --> 00:16:26,279
that the

365
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:28,680
um Aero office was currently

366
00:16:33,889 --> 00:16:30,720
investigating that's the key

367
00:16:38,509 --> 00:16:33,899
and the problem the pushback that that

368
00:16:40,670 --> 00:16:38,519
came from that was that it was too broad

369
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,680
so I pushed back and I said well why is

370
00:16:44,990 --> 00:16:42,720
it too broad why are you telling me you

371
00:16:46,850 --> 00:16:45,000
can't process this because the Navy

372
00:16:48,710 --> 00:16:46,860
processed a similar request over there

373
00:16:51,949 --> 00:16:48,720
they just told me everything was

374
00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:51,959
classified so now OSD is telling me well

375
00:16:56,629 --> 00:16:54,779
it's too broad we can't do that now when

376
00:16:57,889 --> 00:16:56,639
things are too broad from a legal

377
00:16:59,990 --> 00:16:57,899
standpoint what essentially that

378
00:17:02,569 --> 00:17:00,000
translates to is that you have a

379
00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:02,579
voluminous amount of information that

380
00:17:07,850 --> 00:17:04,980
they would have a what's called a

381
00:17:09,409 --> 00:17:07,860
burdensome a burdensome search to try

382
00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:09,419
and find what you're looking for

383
00:17:14,929 --> 00:17:11,699
so my question was well why is that

384
00:17:16,669 --> 00:17:14,939
burdensome why is this too broad and in

385
00:17:18,409 --> 00:17:16,679
the course of that conversation in

386
00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:18,419
writing because I'm stressing that again

387
00:17:23,090 --> 00:17:20,280
this is not a secret Source telephone

388
00:17:25,549 --> 00:17:23,100
call that you have to trust me on in

389
00:17:29,570 --> 00:17:25,559
writing they said because the responsive

390
00:17:33,049 --> 00:17:29,580
records when it came to the how I worded

391
00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,059
it current investigations into the

392
00:17:38,350 --> 00:17:35,640
photographs and videos of what was

393
00:17:41,750 --> 00:17:38,360
tagged as unidentified aerial phenomena

394
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:41,760
equaled into the hundreds and as a

395
00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:44,400
result that's too much for them they

396
00:17:48,830 --> 00:17:46,380
can't go through the hundreds however

397
00:17:50,510 --> 00:17:48,840
many hundreds there are but the hundreds

398
00:17:52,850 --> 00:17:50,520
of videos and photographs that I

399
00:17:55,070 --> 00:17:52,860
requested and it was pushed back to me

400
00:17:57,830 --> 00:17:55,080
now it's frustrating it was pushed back

401
00:18:00,409 --> 00:17:57,840
but pretty darn interesting that they

402
00:18:03,289 --> 00:18:00,419
are putting in writing that Arrow has

403
00:18:05,750 --> 00:18:03,299
quote unquote hundreds of these types of

404
00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:05,760
Case Files that they are currently

405
00:18:11,330 --> 00:18:08,100
looking into now why do I keep stressing

406
00:18:14,330 --> 00:18:11,340
currently well their current

407
00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:14,340
report if there is one are those

408
00:18:19,070 --> 00:18:16,440
considered closed cases and we don't

409
00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:19,080
know the answer to that so are they

410
00:18:23,510 --> 00:18:21,000
referencing what we are potentially

411
00:18:25,010 --> 00:18:23,520
going to see in this report maybe but

412
00:18:26,450 --> 00:18:25,020
does that mean that hundreds of cases

413
00:18:28,490 --> 00:18:26,460
are still being investigated with no

414
00:18:31,010 --> 00:18:28,500
answer that's pretty interesting in my

415
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:31,020
book because if they were you know

416
00:18:37,610 --> 00:18:34,080
somewhat identifiable they likely

417
00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:37,620
wouldn't be under the label of currently

418
00:18:41,390 --> 00:18:39,960
investigated so I know I'm kind of

419
00:18:43,549 --> 00:18:41,400
stressing some of these words but

420
00:18:45,590 --> 00:18:43,559
there's a reason because when you say

421
00:18:49,789 --> 00:18:45,600
give me all currently investigated

422
00:18:51,770 --> 00:18:49,799
material not passed then that is a

423
00:18:53,870 --> 00:18:51,780
certain data set of responsive records

424
00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:53,880
if I say give me everything that's

425
00:18:59,330 --> 00:18:57,960
closed that is labeled identified uh

426
00:19:01,370 --> 00:18:59,340
they may push it back and say too broad

427
00:19:03,529 --> 00:19:01,380
but regardless that's a different data

428
00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:03,539
set and so that's what you try and and

429
00:19:07,250 --> 00:19:05,100
kind of Wade through when you're using

430
00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:07,260
the foia so it was an encouraging

431
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:09,480
development but also very frustrating

432
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,240
because now I'm trying to figure out I

433
00:19:16,370 --> 00:19:14,400
think I have a couple of ideas but

434
00:19:18,169 --> 00:19:16,380
trying to figure out what is a way that

435
00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,179
I could Whittle this down into something

436
00:19:24,529 --> 00:19:21,000
that is not burdensome that would yield

437
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:24,539
something in response to my request but

438
00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:26,340
at least I know that the data set that

439
00:19:31,789 --> 00:19:27,660
I'm going for

440
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:31,799
uh totals hundreds of photos and videos

441
00:19:37,490 --> 00:19:35,280
that's pretty fascinating to me what do

442
00:19:39,230 --> 00:19:37,500
you think that this report has been

443
00:19:42,049 --> 00:19:39,240
drafted

444
00:19:49,250 --> 00:19:46,610
okay and it is that an opinion or are

445
00:19:52,190 --> 00:19:49,260
you basing that on something well in the

446
00:19:53,810 --> 00:19:52,200
process of trying to to get a story for

447
00:19:56,090 --> 00:19:53,820
everybody because as you know I love I

448
00:19:58,250 --> 00:19:56,100
love writing and and uh doing update

449
00:20:01,490 --> 00:19:58,260
videos and so on I have knocked on

450
00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:01,500
pretty much every door possible uh yes

451
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:04,500
it sounds like a report has been drafted

452
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:07,200
uh the goal from what I was told anyway

453
00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:11,280
was going to be the 31st on time and

454
00:20:19,850 --> 00:20:12,419
then

455
00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:19,860
the 31st turned into uh let's see that

456
00:20:23,930 --> 00:20:21,720
was a Monday so then potentially towards

457
00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:23,940
the end of the week I was also not the

458
00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:25,200
only one hearing this if you look around

459
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:28,020
on on Twitter there were a few different

460
00:20:31,970 --> 00:20:29,760
journalists who were also pushing their

461
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:31,980
contacts hey what's going on with this

462
00:20:36,830 --> 00:20:35,039
they were hearing mid to late week that

463
00:20:38,270 --> 00:20:36,840
week so it kind of coincided so that's

464
00:20:40,490 --> 00:20:38,280
why I I feel a little bit more

465
00:20:42,590 --> 00:20:40,500
comfortable saying hey I was I was

466
00:20:45,230 --> 00:20:42,600
hearing this but so were other people

467
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:45,240
you know that this was not some you know

468
00:20:49,850 --> 00:20:48,000
a secret that nobody was hearing that's

469
00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:49,860
what what journalists were starting to

470
00:20:54,049 --> 00:20:51,620
Post online

471
00:20:56,210 --> 00:20:54,059
let me jump in I apologize for

472
00:20:59,090 --> 00:20:56,220
Interruption don't know are we facing

473
00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:59,100
that on uh conversations with other

474
00:21:04,090 --> 00:21:01,260
journalists or friends are you basing on

475
00:21:06,890 --> 00:21:04,100
that from an official government Source

476
00:21:07,789 --> 00:21:06,900
uh I don't want to say official

477
00:21:09,470 --> 00:21:07,799
government Source but they were

478
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,480
government sources and why I say it that

479
00:21:12,289 --> 00:21:11,340
way is that they never put anything in

480
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,299
writing

481
00:21:17,029 --> 00:21:15,120
they would not comment on the record so

482
00:21:20,090 --> 00:21:17,039
I couldn't come out with any statement

483
00:21:22,130 --> 00:21:20,100
and if anybody knows me I hate that I

484
00:21:25,310 --> 00:21:22,140
don't like doing stories on Anonymous so

485
00:21:27,289 --> 00:21:25,320
I was mostly mum about it I don't mind

486
00:21:28,970 --> 00:21:27,299
talking about this aspect of it now

487
00:21:31,070 --> 00:21:28,980
because again there were other

488
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,080
journalists that were were hearing very

489
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,880
similar if not exactly the same things

490
00:21:37,250 --> 00:21:35,039
maybe even from the same people for all

491
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:37,260
I know but these were people that were

492
00:21:42,350 --> 00:21:40,080
working on the inside uh multiple

493
00:21:46,850 --> 00:21:42,360
multiple people had had talked about

494
00:21:50,810 --> 00:21:46,860
drafts of the report and also the

495
00:21:53,330 --> 00:21:50,820
the the kind of going

496
00:21:55,310 --> 00:21:53,340
I don't want to say story but the going

497
00:21:58,130 --> 00:21:55,320
excuse I guess you can say is that

498
00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:58,140
rewriting was part of this process so

499
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:00,900
that the original drafts apparently did

500
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:03,240
not satisfy all of the requirements I

501
00:22:05,930 --> 00:22:04,799
don't have details on that it's not

502
00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:05,940
because I don't want to tell you I just

503
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:08,520
don't have them uh but the consensus was

504
00:22:14,029 --> 00:22:10,980
that they were still trying to you know

505
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:14,039
rework that uh that draft so some

506
00:22:17,330 --> 00:22:15,419
journalists out there have talked about

507
00:22:20,330 --> 00:22:17,340
it being part of the approval process

508
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:20,340
others describe that being just part of

509
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:22,860
you know draft a is kicked back you try

510
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,200
draft B and it gets kicked back uh

511
00:22:30,049 --> 00:22:26,880
however you want to term it that that's

512
00:22:32,630 --> 00:22:30,059
kind of what I've been led to believe is

513
00:22:36,770 --> 00:22:32,640
what's going on now in the last two

514
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:36,780
weeks uh I have followed up again trying

515
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:39,360
to get official on the record comment

516
00:22:47,390 --> 00:22:43,620
from odni numerous times and I cannot

517
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:47,400
now get anybody to call or write back I

518
00:22:52,370 --> 00:22:49,140
get read receipts I know they're getting

519
00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:52,380
them but no nobody is able to get

520
00:22:57,169 --> 00:22:54,360
comments I even saw Tyler Rogue away

521
00:22:59,630 --> 00:22:57,179
from the drive post today he too has

522
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,640
been knocking on doors and it's like it

523
00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:01,799
is what it is the report is late and and

524
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:03,140
that's it

525
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,799
the

526
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:06,780
um let's stay with OD and I for a second

527
00:23:14,510 --> 00:23:11,100
sure and the reason why you know I had

528
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:14,520
Danny Sheehan on the show on Monday and

529
00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:18,240
he said a couple of things that uh

530
00:23:23,090 --> 00:23:20,700
raised an eyebrow for me and I think for

531
00:23:25,970 --> 00:23:23,100
the community in general

532
00:23:29,090 --> 00:23:25,980
um that there is no task force

533
00:23:31,370 --> 00:23:29,100
that Bray doesn't you know isn't then

534
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:31,380
there isn't anybody else there and and

535
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:32,760
they're not investigating anything

536
00:23:41,149 --> 00:23:36,780
nobody's been appointed and so if this

537
00:23:43,549 --> 00:23:41,159
report has been drafted it's not coming

538
00:23:46,430 --> 00:23:43,559
from any version of the task force

539
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:46,440
whatever you want to call it Arrow uaptf

540
00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,840
uh part two whatever you want to call it

541
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:50,700
2.0

542
00:23:55,490 --> 00:23:52,980
um is it being drafted

543
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:55,500
has it was it drafted from inside of the

544
00:24:02,029 --> 00:23:59,580
odni and not from some task force

545
00:24:04,430 --> 00:24:02,039
so that part I don't know uh I I don't

546
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,440
have any information on that

547
00:24:09,049 --> 00:24:06,960
I am going to respectfully disagree with

548
00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:09,059
and I've seen some of the the clips from

549
00:24:13,070 --> 00:24:10,500
the interview I didn't see a hundred

550
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:13,080
percent of the entire show but I saw uh

551
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:15,600
the part where he was he was saying this

552
00:24:19,789 --> 00:24:17,700
and I'm going to respectfully disagree I

553
00:24:22,010 --> 00:24:19,799
mean you know you you've you've got DOD

554
00:24:24,590 --> 00:24:22,020
memos that are going out they've named

555
00:24:26,210 --> 00:24:24,600
Dr Sean Kirkpatrick as as the head of

556
00:24:29,149 --> 00:24:26,220
this if they're not doing anything

557
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:29,159
that's fine but why is my you know a

558
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,940
legal case that I filed coming back with

559
00:24:38,690 --> 00:24:35,700
that specific group meaning Arrow has

560
00:24:41,450 --> 00:24:38,700
hundreds of tagged UAP photos and videos

561
00:24:44,390 --> 00:24:41,460
that they're currently investigating

562
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:44,400
if there was no task force and this was

563
00:24:49,490 --> 00:24:46,140
just all on paper and they're like look

564
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:49,500
no one really cares uh sure name that

565
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,200
guy whatever that'll satisfy Congress

566
00:24:57,289 --> 00:24:54,960
and it's all a ruse that's fine but when

567
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,299
you start filing legal cases for the the

568
00:25:02,330 --> 00:24:59,700
workload what they're doing you're going

569
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,340
to get no records responses so this

570
00:25:06,770 --> 00:25:04,799
isn't a reverse cover-up where there's

571
00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:06,780
nothing to find but the government's

572
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,520
going to say oh we've got hundreds of

573
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:10,919
UAP related photos and videos but we

574
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:12,900
can't give them to you I don't see that

575
00:25:19,370 --> 00:25:16,320
happening I I again just respectfully

576
00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:19,380
disagree with with that notion now

577
00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:22,140
If he if he's leaning towards but maybe

578
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,480
maybe exaggerating a little bit leaning

579
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,760
towards that there are

580
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,860
portions of this effort that maybe

581
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,159
aren't official that these are kind of

582
00:25:36,169 --> 00:25:34,500
that debate about atip and Luis Elizondo

583
00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,179
which I know makes some people cringe

584
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:38,460
but if this is like stuff they did in

585
00:25:43,610 --> 00:25:41,820
addition to their normal job and their

586
00:25:46,730 --> 00:25:43,620
their normal Mission whatever that may

587
00:25:49,310 --> 00:25:46,740
be for the dod I mean I can buy that I I

588
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,320
can I can really buy that in fact today

589
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:52,020
I interviewed Dr Travis Taylor and it

590
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,179
was very similar with his description of

591
00:25:59,210 --> 00:25:56,640
the UAP task force so again the the

592
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,220
group prior to arrow and what

593
00:26:03,769 --> 00:26:01,440
essentially he was talking about was

594
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,779
that you did have that core person the

595
00:26:08,090 --> 00:26:06,299
director of the task force which was Jay

596
00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:08,100
Stratton I've been able to prove that

597
00:26:12,409 --> 00:26:10,620
through documents and now it's it Travis

598
00:26:13,909 --> 00:26:12,419
was able to say it on the record so now

599
00:26:16,430 --> 00:26:13,919
we've got all sorts of evidence to it

600
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,440
but we knew that uh but now it's just

601
00:26:20,510 --> 00:26:18,240
you know more than official so we have

602
00:26:23,630 --> 00:26:20,520
that director but then who was under him

603
00:26:25,970 --> 00:26:23,640
and it sounded like from Dr Taylor's

604
00:26:27,590 --> 00:26:25,980
answer to me was that there were a lot

605
00:26:29,149 --> 00:26:27,600
of people that were being being pulled

606
00:26:32,090 --> 00:26:29,159
from all these different areas and

607
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,100
agencies and branches to kind of help

608
00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,559
with the effort and what was fascinating

609
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,840
to me about that description was I found

610
00:26:42,289 --> 00:26:38,640
a document had never been released

611
00:26:44,029 --> 00:26:42,299
before from the nro revealing a factoid

612
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:44,039
about the task force that had never been

613
00:26:48,370 --> 00:26:46,559
released before which they labeled the

614
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:48,380
The

615
00:26:54,049 --> 00:26:52,320
uaptf Advisory panel now we could all

616
00:26:56,810 --> 00:26:54,059
want to safely assume that they would

617
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,820
have an advisory panel but that was

618
00:27:00,350 --> 00:26:58,559
never officially confirmed so when the

619
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,360
nro sent me this this document

620
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:02,580
Declassified I was like wait a minute

621
00:27:07,130 --> 00:27:04,799
advisory panel who's on this now I still

622
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,140
have open cases to figure that out maybe

623
00:27:11,810 --> 00:27:09,120
a long shot if I'll get it but I brought

624
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,820
it up to Dr Taylor and I said hey look

625
00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:13,679
this is what I found at nro it sounds

626
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:14,820
like that's what you're talking about

627
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:17,159
and he was nodding his head what's my

628
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:20,640
point here it doesn't it could mean that

629
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:24,000
there's no Core group but rather they're

630
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,679
pulling assets from all these different

631
00:27:30,890 --> 00:27:28,860
corners of branches and agencies and I

632
00:27:32,630 --> 00:27:30,900
get it I I mean I would hope that that's

633
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,640
not the case with arrow because I think

634
00:27:36,049 --> 00:27:34,559
that they have a little bit more

635
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:36,059
sunshine on them there's a little bit

636
00:27:39,769 --> 00:27:37,980
more Spotlight a little bit more money

637
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:39,779
so hopefully it's a little bit more

638
00:27:44,990 --> 00:27:43,020
structured but if it is that way again

639
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:45,000
it wouldn't surprise me because that's

640
00:27:50,269 --> 00:27:48,659
kind of how it's been and Luis Elizondo

641
00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:50,279
May disagree with me but kind of sounds

642
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,380
like how atip may have been also just

643
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,779
people that have their core job and then

644
00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:56,159
we're kind of doing some stuff on the

645
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:58,440
side you got a little hobby little hobby

646
00:28:02,990 --> 00:27:59,940
effort

647
00:28:05,630 --> 00:28:03,000
um uh I say that in just every month

648
00:28:07,250 --> 00:28:05,640
yeah I mean but I'm sure some people get

649
00:28:10,190 --> 00:28:07,260
insulted that you just called it a hobby

650
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:10,200
but but I think you're accurate though

651
00:28:15,289 --> 00:28:12,900
like I I think I think I think that's an

652
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:15,299
accurate way to put it now

653
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:17,580
um there's there's another interesting

654
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:21,179
part to this though where a couple of

655
00:28:26,990 --> 00:28:25,020
years ago we had Marco Rubio being

656
00:28:31,549 --> 00:28:27,000
stopped in airports and being questioned

657
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,559
by TMZ right there was a lot of Jilla

658
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:34,559
brand and there was a lot of uh action

659
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:38,640
going on on the hill and and you felt

660
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:41,159
that this was a subject that everybody

661
00:28:46,909 --> 00:28:43,860
was aware of and this was moving forward

662
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:46,919
we had the UAP task force report of

663
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:49,260
course we had the hearing a few months

664
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:50,700
ago too as well

665
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:54,000
things have simmered down right it's not

666
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:56,580
like it was before why do you think that

667
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:58,260
is

668
00:29:03,890 --> 00:29:00,779
well I'm not I'm not sure uh and and I

669
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:03,900
got John we have zero leaks

670
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:06,179
how many right have over the last two

671
00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:07,919
years you're ABS you're absolutely

672
00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,520
absolutely right and I mean I said this

673
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:14,039
a week or two ago and and of course you

674
00:29:17,870 --> 00:29:16,080
know the normal groups come after me for

675
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,880
saying it but I feel that the

676
00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:20,399
Congressional interest is waning

677
00:29:25,190 --> 00:29:22,980
um I the the blowback that I got was

678
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,200
well it's it's election it's a midterms

679
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:27,059
you know that they just don't they have

680
00:29:31,010 --> 00:29:29,580
something to to to to focus on they

681
00:29:33,889 --> 00:29:31,020
don't care about the UAP report and

682
00:29:36,110 --> 00:29:33,899
that's fair but midterms are over I

683
00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:36,120
still don't see anything and to go to

684
00:29:39,649 --> 00:29:37,500
what you said you're absolutely right

685
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:39,659
the run-up to the June report we had

686
00:29:43,070 --> 00:29:41,520
leak after leak after leak it's like

687
00:29:47,149 --> 00:29:43,080
somebody turned the faucet on and just

688
00:29:49,250 --> 00:29:47,159
let this stuff you know drip out uh pour

689
00:29:50,930 --> 00:29:49,260
out how many phone calls did you and I

690
00:29:52,669 --> 00:29:50,940
have back then okay what'd you hear

691
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,679
today well I heard this well this one I

692
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,320
got yeah we did that constantly John

693
00:29:59,810 --> 00:29:57,600
that's gone now yeah there's there's

694
00:30:02,570 --> 00:29:59,820
there's really kind of nothing you know

695
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,580
there's no there's no leaks that that

696
00:30:07,549 --> 00:30:04,320
I'm aware of there's no new videos

697
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:07,559
there's no new photos it's it's rather

698
00:30:12,409 --> 00:30:09,480
snoozy on that front so the question

699
00:30:14,870 --> 00:30:12,419
mark is why what happened to all of

700
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,880
those sources that people had that were

701
00:30:19,310 --> 00:30:17,279
leaking this material and making a big

702
00:30:21,230 --> 00:30:19,320
deal out of it last year I'm not

703
00:30:24,769 --> 00:30:21,240
knocking on those who published that

704
00:30:26,330 --> 00:30:24,779
material rather I I've long given them a

705
00:30:28,250 --> 00:30:26,340
lot of credit since day one because

706
00:30:30,110 --> 00:30:28,260
they're one of the very few

707
00:30:32,810 --> 00:30:30,120
quote-unquote leaks with Anonymous

708
00:30:35,389 --> 00:30:32,820
sources that I've complemented because

709
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,399
the government admitted yes we those are

710
00:30:40,490 --> 00:30:37,860
real those are real videos we've used

711
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,500
them in the UAP task force they wouldn't

712
00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:42,360
tell me if they were unidentified or not

713
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:44,760
but regardless it was like it checked

714
00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:48,120
out and and where are those sources that

715
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:49,640
wanted to keep leaking that information

716
00:30:55,490 --> 00:30:52,799
the media was as you noted asking

717
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,500
question after question TMZ doing those

718
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:57,840
man on the streets running up to to to

719
00:31:01,310 --> 00:30:59,760
to Congress people on the street going

720
00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:01,320
what do you what do you think about uaps

721
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:04,980
what about UFOs none of that is is going

722
00:31:10,669 --> 00:31:08,640
on so is the media to blame for that I

723
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:10,679
don't think so I and the reason I say

724
00:31:15,169 --> 00:31:13,620
that is any UFO thing happens still gets

725
00:31:17,450 --> 00:31:15,179
a lot of attention right now it's just

726
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:17,460
the sadly there's not a whole lot of

727
00:31:22,549 --> 00:31:19,500
stuff happening so the media is right

728
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:22,559
there to catch the ball and report on

729
00:31:27,350 --> 00:31:25,200
UFO related stuff but nothing is

730
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:27,360
happening so that's why I fell back and

731
00:31:34,250 --> 00:31:30,659
defaulted to this seems like a waning of

732
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:34,260
congressional interest that is not a

733
00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:36,000
popular thing to say trust me I'll get

734
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:38,100
hate mail for saying it but it just

735
00:31:43,490 --> 00:31:41,520
there's no push right now because in my

736
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,500
opinion again midterms are over so let's

737
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,399
just get beyond that for a second

738
00:31:50,810 --> 00:31:48,960
those that were really interested in

739
00:31:52,430 --> 00:31:50,820
this can make a phone call even make

740
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:52,440
their aides make that phone call and

741
00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:55,260
start pressuring or is that pressure

742
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,200
going on maybe but I would think if that

743
00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:59,760
pressure was going on OD and I would

744
00:32:05,149 --> 00:32:02,340
have that report out so my question is

745
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,159
did OD and I pick up the phone

746
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,200
call whatever Congressional committee

747
00:32:11,810 --> 00:32:09,600
Aid or staff staff or whomever and say

748
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:11,820
hey by the way guys sorry October 31st

749
00:32:15,049 --> 00:32:12,960
our deadline but we're going to be late

750
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:15,059
so expect it in a few weeks other end

751
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,799
goes yeah all right who cares and uh

752
00:32:22,370 --> 00:32:18,960
hangs up and that's it everybody's happy

753
00:32:24,590 --> 00:32:22,380
and this is all normal except now UFO

754
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:24,600
Twitter and the general public starts

755
00:32:30,830 --> 00:32:27,539
making every conspiracy in a book and

756
00:32:32,269 --> 00:32:30,840
and making this a much bigger issue I

757
00:32:33,769 --> 00:32:32,279
don't know if that's true or not but my

758
00:32:36,529 --> 00:32:33,779
whole point is we have no idea what's

759
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,539
going on so on Monday of this week one

760
00:32:40,669 --> 00:32:38,640
of my last follow-ups with odni is I

761
00:32:42,230 --> 00:32:40,679
asked them that direct question so

762
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,240
instead of saying what's the date of the

763
00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:44,880
report can you confirm this can you deny

764
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:48,020
that no no it was was Congress aware

765
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,520
that this report was going to be late

766
00:32:54,830 --> 00:32:52,380
was there some kind of communication

767
00:32:57,590 --> 00:32:54,840
just to alert them that's it that's all

768
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,600
I wanted to get and I still I cannot get

769
00:33:04,130 --> 00:33:01,200
a response so what does it mean I'm not

770
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:04,140
sure but I can tell you that once it

771
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,899
drops the the amount of cases that I can

772
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:08,520
file will answer all those questions

773
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:11,279
whether they want me to or not

774
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,960
here is let me pop this up for you so

775
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:18,720
you can check this out

776
00:33:26,750 --> 00:33:24,480
here is uh your letter that you received

777
00:33:30,830 --> 00:33:26,760
uh it says right there at the top Office

778
00:33:33,529 --> 00:33:30,840
of the Director of National Intelligence

779
00:33:36,350 --> 00:33:33,539
that's uh it's got to make you tighten

780
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:36,360
up just a little bit and this is dated

781
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,740
November 16th that's last week take us

782
00:33:45,230 --> 00:33:42,299
through this and why is it so

783
00:33:48,289 --> 00:33:45,240
significant yeah so there were a lot of

784
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:48,299
of rumors and again everybody's got

785
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:50,940
sources and this and that I I try and

786
00:33:55,730 --> 00:33:53,460
get you the most accurate story possible

787
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,740
this was the first time that they put in

788
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,600
writing that the report was not

789
00:34:01,730 --> 00:34:00,299
delivered why I'm saying that is there

790
00:34:03,649 --> 00:34:01,740
were some rumors that were going around

791
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:03,659
that said that the classified version

792
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,399
was delivered on time uh and uh I don't

793
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:10,800
need to to to to to to put anybody's uh

794
00:34:14,169 --> 00:34:12,060
name out there but they're names that

795
00:34:16,609 --> 00:34:14,179
you would recognize that put that

796
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,619
definitively out there and it was

797
00:34:22,070 --> 00:34:19,440
inaccurate uh so this was the first time

798
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,080
with a source with a case number that

799
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:23,760
showed that the report had not been

800
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:26,280
provided to Congress now I don't like

801
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:30,599
nitpicking too much but but I will note

802
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:32,760
one thing the Highlight that I put as of

803
00:34:36,649 --> 00:34:34,679
the date of this communication the

804
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,659
report has not yet been provided to

805
00:34:41,930 --> 00:34:39,000
Congress the next line given that we

806
00:34:44,329 --> 00:34:41,940
expect the final report to be provided

807
00:34:46,070 --> 00:34:44,339
in short order we we have opened this

808
00:34:48,349 --> 00:34:46,080
case in a hold status and we'll begin

809
00:34:50,690 --> 00:34:48,359
processing your request once the report

810
00:34:52,730 --> 00:34:50,700
has been conveyed to the hill there's a

811
00:34:55,369 --> 00:34:52,740
couple things that I feel you can glean

812
00:34:57,890 --> 00:34:55,379
from that number one the first line says

813
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:57,900
report the second line says final report

814
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,200
to me from a legal standpoint that tells

815
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:02,940
me there's drafts floating around and

816
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:05,400
that's a it's an it's an out it's an out

817
00:35:12,170 --> 00:35:09,180
right well it's it shows me that there

818
00:35:14,089 --> 00:35:12,180
there is a product created meaning the

819
00:35:15,890 --> 00:35:14,099
report so they have something the report

820
00:35:17,930 --> 00:35:15,900
just hasn't been given over why because

821
00:35:20,450 --> 00:35:17,940
it's not final yet that's right that's

822
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,460
that's what I'm saying the out is the

823
00:35:25,790 --> 00:35:22,920
the word final right there may be

824
00:35:27,770 --> 00:35:25,800
correct report but it's not the final

825
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,780
one but it's not but it's not final and

826
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:29,400
has not been provided to Congress which

827
00:35:33,829 --> 00:35:30,960
again goes to your previous question of

828
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:33,839
do I think something was drafted yes I

829
00:35:38,390 --> 00:35:36,540
believe evidence points to not only just

830
00:35:40,609 --> 00:35:38,400
you know secret conversations or

831
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:40,619
whatever people have but rather this is

832
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:43,020
in writing in addition if a report is

833
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:46,680
not not made I would be highly doubtful

834
00:35:52,970 --> 00:35:50,640
that a anybody from odni would put on

835
00:35:55,609 --> 00:35:52,980
official letterhead that a report is

836
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:55,619
going to be delivered in short order

837
00:35:59,870 --> 00:35:57,780
so why would they do that if the report

838
00:36:02,870 --> 00:35:59,880
didn't even exist they're locking

839
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,880
themselves into a corner if they have no

840
00:36:06,770 --> 00:36:04,560
product whatsoever product meaning

841
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,780
report so they have no product but then

842
00:36:11,270 --> 00:36:08,720
they tell somebody with a legal case

843
00:36:13,790 --> 00:36:11,280
it'll be delivered in short order so

844
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:13,800
we'll file your case and keep it on a

845
00:36:18,290 --> 00:36:16,020
hold status until it gets delivered I

846
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:18,300
don't see that happening uh

847
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,460
for those that care from that legal

848
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:23,040
standpoint if something is in draft but

849
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,540
maybe six months out from being

850
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:26,640
delivered they'll reject it under

851
00:36:32,089 --> 00:36:30,180
exemption B5 and what exemption B5 is in

852
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:32,099
in plain English is internal

853
00:36:38,510 --> 00:36:35,099
deliberation any draft document they

854
00:36:41,450 --> 00:36:38,520
they consider a internal deliberative

855
00:36:45,170 --> 00:36:41,460
working product so it's exempt from foia

856
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:45,180
and the moment it goes final that is

857
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:46,880
foia a bull

858
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:49,980
may fit into uh different exemptions but

859
00:36:55,609 --> 00:36:53,520
not B5 as a draft so there's a lot of

860
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:55,619
again legal jargon going on here but I

861
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:57,000
think that there's a product I think

862
00:37:03,410 --> 00:37:00,420
there's drafts maybe multiple drafts and

863
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:03,420
uh hopefully if their letter is true it

864
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:06,440
will be delivered here hopefully soon

865
00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:09,960
the uh the press conferences over the

866
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:12,680
last few years uh with many

867
00:37:16,430 --> 00:37:15,060
representatives uh either from the

868
00:37:19,250 --> 00:37:16,440
Department of Defense or from the White

869
00:37:22,490 --> 00:37:19,260
House them uh directly

870
00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:22,500
um had pages in their binders

871
00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,839
John Pages they have pages in The

872
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,079
binders question comes up UAP they go to

873
00:37:33,290 --> 00:37:30,480
the use they flip open the butt and

874
00:37:36,710 --> 00:37:33,300
they've got a response uh over the last

875
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:36,720
month uh you and I have both seen some

876
00:37:41,870 --> 00:37:38,280
of the responses at those press

877
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:41,880
conferences and those pages are missing

878
00:37:47,569 --> 00:37:45,000
from those binders nobody's got any

879
00:37:50,930 --> 00:37:47,579
information at all

880
00:37:53,690 --> 00:37:50,940
yes and that may just be because there's

881
00:37:55,130 --> 00:37:53,700
not much to report on those pages I

882
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,140
don't I was going to try and pull it up

883
00:37:58,490 --> 00:37:56,640
quickly for you to share but I don't

884
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,500
want to waste too much time but

885
00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:00,180
um I got those what they're called

886
00:38:05,569 --> 00:38:02,160
briefing cards for the for the

887
00:38:08,270 --> 00:38:05,579
spokespeople and those briefing cards

888
00:38:10,430 --> 00:38:08,280
take all the approved language that they

889
00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:10,440
can use and talk about all the different

890
00:38:16,430 --> 00:38:14,040
talking points that was the 2021 UAP

891
00:38:18,890 --> 00:38:16,440
task force briefing card uh there was

892
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,900
another one for the UAP report and a

893
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,599
couple select others I have all of them

894
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:23,760
uh which I can send you the link or

895
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,440
maybe during your break I forget what

896
00:38:31,970 --> 00:38:28,200
time it is but I'll I'll pull up the URL

897
00:38:34,430 --> 00:38:31,980
and tweet it out now to 2021

898
00:38:37,490 --> 00:38:34,440
I'm not sure what the explanation is

899
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:37,500
they may still have them internally but

900
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:39,000
most of the spokespeople that are

901
00:38:41,990 --> 00:38:40,680
Fielding the questions and credit to the

902
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:42,000
journalists that are brave enough to ask

903
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:44,640
there's only a few but in the Pentagon

904
00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:46,440
briefing room

905
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,180
um there's nothing to reference because

906
00:38:52,609 --> 00:38:51,119
they have nothing to add and so they're

907
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:52,619
just saying like oh yeah we just we

908
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,119
don't know why the report's late you

909
00:38:58,910 --> 00:38:57,119
gotta take it up to OD and I that was

910
00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:58,920
the last Pentagon briefing that I'm

911
00:39:06,890 --> 00:39:02,640
aware of where uap's UAP came up where

912
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:06,900
the the deputy uh spokesperson for the

913
00:39:13,730 --> 00:39:10,619
Pentagon she had said as far as I know

914
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,740
odni still has the report and what that

915
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:15,839
does is essentially shuts off any

916
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:18,720
ability for her to comment and so that

917
00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,140
for me anyway was that was her out that

918
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,780
was a sorry odni has it so you have to

919
00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:27,359
get a comment from OD and I because it's

920
00:39:31,310 --> 00:39:29,460
out of her purview she can't comment on

921
00:39:33,890 --> 00:39:31,320
it just like a White House spokesperson

922
00:39:36,530 --> 00:39:33,900
can't comment on State Department issues

923
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:36,540
and vice versa so those spokespeople are

924
00:39:41,089 --> 00:39:38,940
the voice of that agency and the minute

925
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:41,099
it goes to another agency they're out

926
00:39:45,530 --> 00:39:43,800
and so I I think that those briefing

927
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,540
cards there's no nothing in the binders

928
00:39:50,030 --> 00:39:47,520
because there's absolutely nothing there

929
00:39:52,310 --> 00:39:50,040
they're just saying hey sorry no comment

930
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:52,320
we're just waiting for the report I'm

931
00:39:58,430 --> 00:39:55,920
not familiar with like odni briefings

932
00:40:00,109 --> 00:39:58,440
I'm not familiar with how those work if

933
00:40:03,410 --> 00:40:00,119
at all if they have briefings like state

934
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:03,420
department and so on I'm just again a

935
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,859
lot of those other agencies if they do

936
00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,119
have briefings are generally not

937
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:08,880
recorded uh like like the Pentagon

938
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:10,619
briefings are you can access those

939
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:13,440
videos a lot of times obviously the news

940
00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:15,660
broadcasts the White House ones but OD

941
00:40:19,970 --> 00:40:17,400
and I am not real familiar with but

942
00:40:22,609 --> 00:40:19,980
regardless there's zero on the record

943
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:22,619
statement that I've seen from anybody at

944
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,980
odni on UAP related issue so at this

945
00:40:30,250 --> 00:40:28,079
point there's nothing in the binders

946
00:40:34,490 --> 00:40:30,260
because there's just nothing

947
00:40:37,630 --> 00:40:34,500
why do you think there seems to be

948
00:40:42,589 --> 00:40:37,640
a thumbing at the nose

949
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,599
about uh the Mandate of October 31st

950
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,960
um it doesn't seem like there's any

951
00:40:49,490 --> 00:40:48,000
responsibility there that you know there

952
00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:49,500
isn't any

953
00:40:57,290 --> 00:40:53,700
it's it seemed like the verbiage that of

954
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,300
verbiage the knowledge right the the

955
00:41:01,730 --> 00:40:59,040
wordage

956
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,740
um about that was that it was law that

957
00:41:07,490 --> 00:41:03,900
this was now this was now law October

958
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:07,500
31st this date is Islam this is a

959
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:11,099
requirement well it seems like nobody

960
00:41:17,450 --> 00:41:13,740
cares because that date came and went

961
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,460
and there was no response back uh to the

962
00:41:22,730 --> 00:41:20,099
public or to Congress uh about why this

963
00:41:25,910 --> 00:41:22,740
date was missed yeah I think it's it's

964
00:41:28,069 --> 00:41:25,920
it's clearly a mandated report and I

965
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,079
think that's the most the most accurate

966
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,480
word to describe what's going on is that

967
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:32,820
it is mandated to be delivered on

968
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:35,400
October 31st where we're left to

969
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,560
speculate is why it's not here is there

970
00:41:41,569 --> 00:41:39,720
a disregard for that mandate do they

971
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:41,579
just say ah who cares what Congress

972
00:41:46,069 --> 00:41:42,500
wants

973
00:41:47,810 --> 00:41:46,079
you know yeah I mean can we say that no

974
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:47,820
because we have we have nothing to to

975
00:41:51,829 --> 00:41:49,260
gauge that on

976
00:41:53,089 --> 00:41:51,839
I I bring up that did somebody call the

977
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,099
congressional committees and just say

978
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,720
hey just a heads up miles we're really

979
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,640
sorry but uh we're kind of behind and

980
00:42:00,349 --> 00:41:57,920
yeah

981
00:42:02,450 --> 00:42:00,359
that would leak

982
00:42:04,270 --> 00:42:02,460
that would leap because there's a

983
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,280
political Advantage there for somebody

984
00:42:11,210 --> 00:42:07,200
right and that kind of stuff would would

985
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:11,220
leak out that's that's why yeah because

986
00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,480
they're

987
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:15,240
and Washington is nothing but leaks and

988
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:18,359
rumors right and in in in this instance

989
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,420
John we've got nothing where we used to

990
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,760
have a lot of it there's plenty of leaks

991
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:25,680
coming out of Washington DC on other

992
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,500
issues everybody's talking and jocking

993
00:42:32,510 --> 00:42:30,599
for a position uh this time around

994
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,520
there's there's absolutely nothing which

995
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:34,160
says to me maybe there's not a report

996
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,420
maybe there's nothing going on maybe

997
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:39,119
nobody cares maybe maybe and I know it's

998
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:41,280
a Pandora's Box that I'm opening here

999
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:44,460
but I can't help but feel that way

1000
00:42:50,810 --> 00:42:46,680
well I I think I go to the New York

1001
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:50,820
Times Julian Barnes article wherein he's

1002
00:42:57,050 --> 00:42:54,599
clearly a established reporter

1003
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,060
I've had my fair share of videos and

1004
00:43:01,430 --> 00:42:59,280
Strikes against the New York Times as as

1005
00:43:02,930 --> 00:43:01,440
a media outlet and how they've reported

1006
00:43:06,109 --> 00:43:02,940
on this topic

1007
00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:06,119
but for Julian Barnes to report on

1008
00:43:10,790 --> 00:43:07,859
something that doesn't exist and have

1009
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:10,800
some very specific details I don't buy

1010
00:43:15,770 --> 00:43:13,680
it I believe that whomever his Source

1011
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:15,780
was and this is just a guess that

1012
00:43:21,530 --> 00:43:18,960
whomever his Source was had a draft that

1013
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:21,540
internally they believed was going to go

1014
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,480
to press accordingly essentially that it

1015
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,760
was essentially final they were going to

1016
00:43:30,349 --> 00:43:28,319
you know dot some T's and cross some

1017
00:43:32,690 --> 00:43:30,359
eyes or whatever but they were going to

1018
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:32,700
finish it up and they were gonna send it

1019
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:35,880
over to the hill they give Julian Barnes

1020
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:39,599
the heads up uh give some some essential

1021
00:43:43,730 --> 00:43:41,520
talking points and light items from the

1022
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,740
report that weren't classified Julian

1023
00:43:47,569 --> 00:43:45,960
Barnes turns around he reports what he

1024
00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,579
does in the New York Times and UFO

1025
00:43:53,690 --> 00:43:49,980
Twitter goes nuts why I'm bringing up

1026
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:53,700
that is to think that somebody like him

1027
00:44:00,349 --> 00:43:56,700
at the New York Times again even with my

1028
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,359
criticism uh that's pretty palpable over

1029
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:02,880
the last few years for him to report on

1030
00:44:08,390 --> 00:44:04,800
something that didn't exist I don't buy

1031
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:08,400
it so I think he saw something what he

1032
00:44:14,930 --> 00:44:12,720
has to account for is when I don't think

1033
00:44:17,870 --> 00:44:14,940
it's if I think it's when this report

1034
00:44:20,510 --> 00:44:17,880
drops to the public and what he reported

1035
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:20,520
on is not in that report

1036
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:24,000
we have some questions we do we do we do

1037
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,359
we do and so is it misinformation is it

1038
00:44:32,770 --> 00:44:29,640
disinformation on Whose part though

1039
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:32,780
right well let me finish

1040
00:44:40,910 --> 00:44:36,119
let me finish is it something that he

1041
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:40,920
saw or was it something that he was told

1042
00:44:46,609 --> 00:44:43,800
you know two different things and and

1043
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:46,619
did he jumped the gun and certainly in

1044
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:48,540
that article you're right he better be

1045
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:49,760
right because

1046
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,740
he seriously implied that this report

1047
00:44:56,990 --> 00:44:54,540
was going to point the finger at China

1048
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:57,000
and that this is a terrestrial thing

1049
00:45:02,450 --> 00:44:59,819
which is the exact opposite of the last

1050
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:02,460
UAP task force report which clearly

1051
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,420
stated everything but that so that's

1052
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:08,160
that's where I'm going was it

1053
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,200
misinformation and disinformation there

1054
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,599
were a few media Outlets that had a

1055
00:45:16,730 --> 00:45:14,520
different story too as well that weren't

1056
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:16,740
even close to what Julian was writing

1057
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:19,680
about and they were they were talking

1058
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:22,020
about they were tipped off too and it

1059
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:26,099
turns out that nobody knew anything

1060
00:45:30,470 --> 00:45:28,680
I would say you know what's funny is

1061
00:45:32,089 --> 00:45:30,480
that if you read both articles there was

1062
00:45:34,430 --> 00:45:32,099
one in the Daily Mail which is I think

1063
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:34,440
what you're referring to right and and

1064
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:36,000
you juxtapose that with the New York

1065
00:45:40,490 --> 00:45:37,200
Times

1066
00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:40,500
they could have very well seen the exact

1067
00:45:46,010 --> 00:45:43,079
same thing and reported on the exact

1068
00:45:47,809 --> 00:45:46,020
same thing but had their respective spin

1069
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:47,819
and you have Julian Barnes who's

1070
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:50,760
obviously not respecting this topic

1071
00:45:55,370 --> 00:45:53,099
whatsoever a lot of people jumped on

1072
00:45:58,550 --> 00:45:55,380
them for that whatever I don't care I'm

1073
00:46:02,630 --> 00:45:58,560
used to it you know if it's accurate

1074
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:02,640
fine if it's if it's you know dripping

1075
00:46:08,030 --> 00:46:05,940
with bias then I'll call it out uh it

1076
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:08,040
was clear that he just doesn't have a

1077
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:10,980
respect for this but he could be doing a

1078
00:46:14,990 --> 00:46:13,200
straightforward reporting note that he

1079
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:15,000
used the word many

1080
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,240
that could be attributed to Chinese

1081
00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:20,220
drones or whatever the way he worded it

1082
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:22,380
but the key word being many he didn't

1083
00:46:26,750 --> 00:46:25,200
say all so what does many mean right so

1084
00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:26,760
now we got to get into semantics what

1085
00:46:33,290 --> 00:46:30,780
does Julian Barnes mean by many 50 75 95

1086
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,300
percent one percent what does that mean

1087
00:46:37,069 --> 00:46:35,040
you know and and we don't we don't have

1088
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:37,079
the answer to that in the same respect

1089
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:39,119
you looked at the Daily Mail they could

1090
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,040
have seen the exact same either talking

1091
00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:43,140
points or maybe the a draft report

1092
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:45,000
leaked we don't know journalists aren't

1093
00:46:49,309 --> 00:46:46,740
going to give up their their sources or

1094
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,319
or how they they got it or or in what

1095
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:51,780
way or whatever and that's fine but

1096
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,520
whatever they saw

1097
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,920
The Daily Mail is going to spin it kind

1098
00:47:01,250 --> 00:46:58,800
of an opposite direction that instead of

1099
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:01,260
focusing on the many are Chinese

1100
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,420
platforms whatever they're going to

1101
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:05,520
focus on the other part that's not part

1102
00:47:11,569 --> 00:47:08,400
of the many you know and what is the

1103
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,579
percentage we don't know uh I if I were

1104
00:47:15,890 --> 00:47:14,160
to guess it's it's about 50 if they if

1105
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:15,900
they come out and say that they've

1106
00:47:21,710 --> 00:47:18,420
investigated X number of cases and

1107
00:47:23,450 --> 00:47:21,720
roughly 50 percent are explainable I

1108
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:23,460
will consider that a fascinating

1109
00:47:28,910 --> 00:47:26,220
development not because 50 are

1110
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:28,920
explainable but rather 50 percent are

1111
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,880
unexplainable I would even take a 75 25

1112
00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:34,200
split because when you look at the

1113
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,819
public realm and we'll call it open

1114
00:47:39,790 --> 00:47:37,319
source intelligence

1115
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:39,800
you look at all of that is it really 25

1116
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:42,540
truly unidentified cases out there no

1117
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:45,240
it's a very small percentage uh I mean

1118
00:47:49,609 --> 00:47:47,400
anybody who really looks at this with

1119
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:49,619
common sense sees that it's in probably

1120
00:47:56,030 --> 00:47:52,800
the single digits of cases yeah what's

1121
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:56,040
that two percent I would buy that right

1122
00:47:59,930 --> 00:47:57,540
so if the government if the government

1123
00:48:01,870 --> 00:47:59,940
comes out and they say it's 90 we've

1124
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,880
explained 95

1125
00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:04,319
of everything that's going on people

1126
00:48:08,150 --> 00:48:06,180
like Julian Barnes are going to say many

1127
00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:08,160
of them are explainable nothing to see

1128
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:10,140
here but that's still fascinating

1129
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:12,420
because you have five percent of the

1130
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:15,780
cases that are not explainable I'm

1131
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:17,400
making up these numbers before anybody

1132
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:19,140
quotes me I'm just using them as an

1133
00:48:24,650 --> 00:48:22,020
example that you know we don't know

1134
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:24,660
what these guys saw but they could have

1135
00:48:30,050 --> 00:48:27,240
seen the exact same thing but reported

1136
00:48:31,670 --> 00:48:30,060
it with their respective bias or spin or

1137
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:31,680
whatever you want to call it because as

1138
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:34,800
we know the daily mail is not the number

1139
00:48:39,230 --> 00:48:37,560
one most accurate

1140
00:48:41,150 --> 00:48:39,240
media Outlet out there I don't want to

1141
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:41,160
trash it I mean they profiled The Black

1142
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,280
Vault before so I respect the kindness I

1143
00:48:48,890 --> 00:48:47,040
do yeah but it's sensationalized we all

1144
00:48:50,589 --> 00:48:48,900
know we all know that New York Times a

1145
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:50,599
little bit more you know

1146
00:48:55,730 --> 00:48:53,099
arguably straight laced and more

1147
00:48:56,990 --> 00:48:55,740
grounded yeah but you know you you look

1148
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,000
at that and they could have very well

1149
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,920
seen the same thing just with respective

1150
00:49:02,809 --> 00:49:00,720
spin I know don't think anybody saw

1151
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,819
anything I'm I'm going on the record

1152
00:49:08,450 --> 00:49:04,800
right now I'm saying with utter

1153
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,460
confidence that the Daily Mail in the

1154
00:49:12,370 --> 00:49:11,520
United Kingdom was not leaked any

1155
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:12,380
information

1156
00:49:18,890 --> 00:49:16,079
period maybe somebody put something in

1157
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:18,900
somebody's ear not going to say you know

1158
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:21,900
and and I'm going back to my misinfo

1159
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:24,780
disinfo comment from earlier that I

1160
00:49:29,390 --> 00:49:26,940
think is is a huge possibility here

1161
00:49:32,270 --> 00:49:29,400
trying to throw stuff out there and

1162
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,280
getting people to to leak this into

1163
00:49:37,130 --> 00:49:34,380
social media or hopefully get it out

1164
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:37,140
into a media outlet but it did the Daily

1165
00:49:45,410 --> 00:49:42,319
Mail get a draft of the UAP report no

1166
00:49:49,550 --> 00:49:45,420
impossible a foreign of foreign

1167
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:49,560
government no no it didn't it no no it

1168
00:49:54,050 --> 00:49:51,599
just didn't and I can I can buy the not

1169
00:49:56,690 --> 00:49:54,060
getting a full draft but rather talking

1170
00:49:58,550 --> 00:49:56,700
points from a source I could buy because

1171
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,560
there were enough similarities I feel

1172
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:00,359
anyway it's been a couple weeks since

1173
00:50:04,250 --> 00:50:02,220
I've read it but I felt that there was

1174
00:50:06,349 --> 00:50:04,260
enough similarities that that the maybe

1175
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:06,359
the talking points the the bigger line

1176
00:50:10,730 --> 00:50:09,060
items the bigger conclusions from the

1177
00:50:13,849 --> 00:50:10,740
report were were conveyed to the

1178
00:50:16,490 --> 00:50:13,859
journalists and and they reported

1179
00:50:18,650 --> 00:50:16,500
they reported them respectively I I

1180
00:50:20,930 --> 00:50:18,660
would buy that versus they got a draft

1181
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:20,940
so I agree with you there but it would

1182
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,680
be very hard for me to to think that

1183
00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:24,800
they would report on

1184
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,900
on something like that with that amount

1185
00:50:32,329 --> 00:50:30,060
of detail if they weren't able to

1186
00:50:35,809 --> 00:50:32,339
confirm at least a little bit that that

1187
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:35,819
was going to be in that draft except for

1188
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,880
one key word though my friend

1189
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:40,800
clicks

1190
00:50:45,470 --> 00:50:44,700
yeah but I okay so I'll push back on

1191
00:50:47,809 --> 00:50:45,480
that

1192
00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:47,819
the New York Times I feel could

1193
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,460
absolutely have spun it the Daily Mail

1194
00:50:55,069 --> 00:50:51,900
way

1195
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:55,079
and probably got 10 times the traffic if

1196
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:56,640
not more I mean you look at their

1197
00:51:02,450 --> 00:50:59,700
reporting that the the Ralph Blumenthal

1198
00:51:03,589 --> 00:51:02,460
Leslie Kane articles uh Helene Cooper on

1199
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,599
some of them

1200
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:05,520
those that are definitely what we would

1201
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:08,280
consider more pro-ufo the amount of

1202
00:51:12,650 --> 00:51:09,900
clicks that they are getting hands down

1203
00:51:15,109 --> 00:51:12,660
are are going to be astronomically

1204
00:51:17,150 --> 00:51:15,119
higher than what Julian Barnes did so

1205
00:51:19,790 --> 00:51:17,160
the question mark is

1206
00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:19,800
you keep well not the question mark my

1207
00:51:24,470 --> 00:51:22,500
rebuttal would be you can't really argue

1208
00:51:25,670 --> 00:51:24,480
The Click angle just simply because I

1209
00:51:29,329 --> 00:51:25,680
think you're shooting yourself in the

1210
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:29,339
foot unless they're trying to get the

1211
00:51:35,270 --> 00:51:31,859
we'll call it reputation back of trying

1212
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:35,280
to report on this somewhat more grounded

1213
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:38,400
yeah more objectively and and and now

1214
00:51:44,270 --> 00:51:40,920
here's my spin and I want your opinion

1215
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:44,280
uh as quick as possible

1216
00:51:52,010 --> 00:51:49,559
um I I feel that Julian's article was

1217
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:52,020
assuming the report was going to drop in

1218
00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:55,920
a day or two and this was the the

1219
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:57,540
foreshadowing

1220
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:01,200
all right this is your your little Salvo

1221
00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:02,880
out there

1222
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:05,880
um and and they were banking on that

1223
00:52:10,730 --> 00:52:07,760
report coming out in a couple of days

1224
00:52:13,809 --> 00:52:10,740
that's the way I read through that and

1225
00:52:16,910 --> 00:52:13,819
felt because Julian as opposed to

1226
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:16,920
Blumenthal and Kane and others that was

1227
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:21,240
all based on uh uh quoted sources names

1228
00:52:29,569 --> 00:52:25,140
in print vetted material and the the

1229
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,579
blowing up of this UFO group at the

1230
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:31,680
Pentagon right that was that was a

1231
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,780
different Julian's article didn't have

1232
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:36,240
any of that all right so there was no

1233
00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:38,099
quoted sources there was no it wasn't

1234
00:52:42,530 --> 00:52:39,660
based on anything no there wasn't

1235
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:42,540
anything there Daily Mail you know they

1236
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,460
do

1237
00:52:49,549 --> 00:52:46,319
Elvis's wife had an alien baby you know

1238
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,559
that so that's that's a whole their

1239
00:52:53,390 --> 00:52:51,599
their editorial standards are a little

1240
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,400
bit different with the Daily Mail that's

1241
00:52:58,130 --> 00:52:55,680
great they can do what they want but uh

1242
00:53:00,650 --> 00:52:58,140
two different Vibes there so I feel that

1243
00:53:02,990 --> 00:53:00,660
Julian's article was written because

1244
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,000
they assumed that report was going to

1245
00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:06,240
drop in a day or two hence the clicks

1246
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:09,059
yeah I don't doubt that at all so then

1247
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:12,119
the question mark is who is that source

1248
00:53:16,190 --> 00:53:14,520
that went to Julian Barnes and said okay

1249
00:53:18,829 --> 00:53:16,200
here are the talking points or you know

1250
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:18,839
whatever however that unfolded

1251
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:21,300
um my my other big question that I'll

1252
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:23,880
just throw out there is the New York

1253
00:53:28,370 --> 00:53:26,460
Times with their previous reporting had

1254
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:28,380
talked about these off-world vehicles

1255
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:32,040
they quoted Dr Eric Davis and uh that

1256
00:53:36,410 --> 00:53:33,780
particular article was a mess by the way

1257
00:53:38,150 --> 00:53:36,420
that was one video that I made and they

1258
00:53:39,950 --> 00:53:38,160
had so many Corrections on top of

1259
00:53:42,530 --> 00:53:39,960
Corrections that weren't even noted in

1260
00:53:45,230 --> 00:53:42,540
the article but my whole point is here

1261
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:45,240
is that it was not an an op-ed it was

1262
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:46,920
published by the New York Times and is

1263
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:50,040
still available and those claims are

1264
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:53,040
still made by one of their named sources

1265
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:55,380
so I would think that the same media

1266
00:54:00,770 --> 00:53:57,720
Outlet like Julian like the New York

1267
00:54:04,490 --> 00:54:00,780
Times if Julian Barnes comes along and

1268
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:04,500
essentially negates their own reporting

1269
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:07,740
that should be addressed I I mean I I

1270
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:09,540
just don't think you can drastically

1271
00:54:15,950 --> 00:54:13,500
change your views on as a media outlet

1272
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,960
and maybe views are the wrong word but

1273
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:17,640
my whole point here is is that if you

1274
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:19,140
have journalists that are working for a

1275
00:54:25,630 --> 00:54:23,119
media outlet and their

1276
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,640
unbiased and just giving you the news

1277
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,260
they should somewhat be in the same

1278
00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:30,000
ballpark with their reporting right

1279
00:54:34,250 --> 00:54:32,460
unless it's an op-ed an op-ed is a

1280
00:54:35,809 --> 00:54:34,260
totally different ball game you put your

1281
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:35,819
opinions out there that that's something

1282
00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:36,780
different

1283
00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:38,640
but when you look at the Articles and

1284
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:40,380
they were straightforward articles some

1285
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:42,960
of which appeared on the the cover uh

1286
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:44,660
the the front page of the New York Times

1287
00:54:48,829 --> 00:54:47,160
when you look at that and then now

1288
00:54:51,170 --> 00:54:48,839
you've got Julian Barnes come in and say

1289
00:54:53,210 --> 00:54:51,180
well it's primarily foreign foreign

1290
00:54:55,790 --> 00:54:53,220
technology and spy equipment and stuff

1291
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:55,800
like that what happened to those claims

1292
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,099
by the same media outlet that used a

1293
00:55:03,290 --> 00:55:00,720
vetted Source according to them they

1294
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:03,300
vetted the sources a vetted Source

1295
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:06,540
talking about off-world Vehicles how did

1296
00:55:10,609 --> 00:55:08,280
they go hand in hand and they don't yeah

1297
00:55:14,030 --> 00:55:10,619
yeah they and and here's here's the

1298
00:55:17,329 --> 00:55:14,040
thing do we put

1299
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,339
um uh Julian barnes's article in the

1300
00:55:22,010 --> 00:55:20,099
op-ed category because it I'm glad that

1301
00:55:25,309 --> 00:55:22,020
you brought that up because it leans in

1302
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,319
that direction as opposed to Kanan

1303
00:55:30,589 --> 00:55:28,680
Blumenthal are reporting the facts and

1304
00:55:32,690 --> 00:55:30,599
the report you know it's it's two

1305
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:32,700
different two different things here and

1306
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:35,339
I felt that and I said this that on the

1307
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:37,680
air that night John

1308
00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:40,559
um uh after reading uh Julian's article

1309
00:55:46,089 --> 00:55:43,140
that it was an opinion piece this is his

1310
00:55:49,790 --> 00:55:46,099
opinion he's not basing anything on fact

1311
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:49,800
and it's going in direct contrast with

1312
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:51,480
the previous report and everything else

1313
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:54,000
that has come out in the past it's it's

1314
00:55:57,950 --> 00:55:57,240
the exact opposite remember

1315
00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:57,960
um

1316
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,780
the UAP task force report said

1317
00:56:05,329 --> 00:56:03,359
it's not our adversaries we know it's

1318
00:56:07,490 --> 00:56:05,339
not Russia we know it's not China we

1319
00:56:09,770 --> 00:56:07,500
know it's not us that's what the report

1320
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,780
said we haven't other Ben here we're

1321
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:11,220
going to lump everything into there but

1322
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,200
right now we can tell you it's not

1323
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,660
Russia it's not China it's not us that's

1324
00:56:20,750 --> 00:56:17,760
the report now Julian is saying the

1325
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:20,760
opposite it's China

1326
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:24,180
and it's like there's no way that that

1327
00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:25,500
reporter is going to come out and say

1328
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,200
that it's just not so he's basing it on

1329
00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:30,480
opinion there's no way that it was based

1330
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:31,500
on fact

1331
00:56:36,290 --> 00:56:34,260
well in respect to the first report I

1332
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:36,300
don't think that it necessarily said it

1333
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,839
is clearly not China not Russia not Iran

1334
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:42,180
not any of these countries but rather

1335
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:43,920
they didn't have the adequate evidence

1336
00:56:51,049 --> 00:56:47,119
to put it into any category hence why

1337
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,059
143 out of the 144 remained unidentified

1338
00:56:57,410 --> 00:56:53,760
so I wouldn't say it was that definitive

1339
00:56:58,609 --> 00:56:57,420
dismissing foreign technology but in the

1340
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:58,619
same respect going back to what you were

1341
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:01,920
saying about the op-ed this is not meant

1342
00:57:06,650 --> 00:57:04,200
to be disrespectful at all to either

1343
00:57:08,690 --> 00:57:06,660
Leslie Kane or Ralph Blumenthal but you

1344
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:08,700
can absolutely reverse what you just

1345
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:11,760
said and it would still fit even though

1346
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:14,460
they named Dr Eric Davis as the source

1347
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,079
that is the only one when they were

1348
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,720
talking about off-world vehicles and all

1349
00:57:23,150 --> 00:57:20,400
of that reporting the rest was all

1350
00:57:26,770 --> 00:57:23,160
Anonymous they had Harry Reid in there

1351
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:26,780
supporting it but they essentially

1352
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:29,880
retracted all that because Harry Reid

1353
00:57:34,490 --> 00:57:32,280
you could tell by the Tweet was Furious

1354
00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,500
that that he was listed as saying what

1355
00:57:38,210 --> 00:57:36,660
he was printed as saying so he had to

1356
00:57:41,390 --> 00:57:38,220
pull it back they had to pull all that

1357
00:57:43,069 --> 00:57:41,400
back so right now all you have is an

1358
00:57:47,210 --> 00:57:43,079
article claiming

1359
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,220
a a Humanity changing piece of

1360
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,160
information that that Vehicles not made

1361
00:57:55,910 --> 00:57:52,920
on this planet off-world vehicles have

1362
00:57:57,530 --> 00:57:55,920
crashed here or being retrieved or being

1363
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,540
worked on whatever the article was

1364
00:58:02,089 --> 00:58:00,240
essentially saying or claiming with

1365
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:02,099
absolutely nothing to back it up

1366
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:05,400
so is that his opinion that was conveyed

1367
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:07,200
by those to convey to those two

1368
00:58:13,510 --> 00:58:10,140
journalists and they put it out there as

1369
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:13,520
fact but when in reality it was opinion

1370
00:58:19,250 --> 00:58:17,040
that's not what Ralph told me what Ralph

1371
00:58:22,130 --> 00:58:19,260
stated on this show he said Jimmy it's

1372
00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:22,140
the New York Times we had that and we

1373
00:58:27,290 --> 00:58:23,760
put it down at the bottom of the article

1374
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,300
for a reason that that quote was vetted

1375
00:58:32,270 --> 00:58:29,520
three times which quote are you talking

1376
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:32,280
about the one from Eric Davis yes well

1377
00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:34,020
you can vet a quote I mean I have no

1378
00:58:38,150 --> 00:58:36,660
doubt that Eric Davis said it but but is

1379
00:58:39,890 --> 00:58:38,160
Ralph Blumenthal gonna go on the record

1380
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:39,900
that says he saw proof of off-world

1381
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:40,980
vehicles

1382
00:58:47,089 --> 00:58:44,400
I I I I I pushed Ralph pretty hard on

1383
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:47,099
that I wanted to know if the Senate if

1384
00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,920
they went to the Senate and and and and

1385
00:58:55,010 --> 00:58:51,660
and and tried to vet this information

1386
00:58:56,569 --> 00:58:55,020
not that he said it but that was this a

1387
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:56,579
concern I mean if you're going to put

1388
00:59:01,549 --> 00:58:59,099
that in in writing you're right that's a

1389
00:59:05,089 --> 00:59:01,559
paradigm shifting world history shifting

1390
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:05,099
that's a bet it's a big deal quote uh

1391
00:59:09,650 --> 00:59:07,980
right and my other concern with that uh

1392
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:09,660
before we uh we're going to do a break

1393
00:59:13,549 --> 00:59:11,040
but we don't have to do the break on

1394
00:59:14,289 --> 00:59:13,559
time you know it's a Kindler so it's

1395
00:59:16,970 --> 00:59:14,299
nice

1396
00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:16,980
to Black yeah

1397
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:20,579
um is that uh uh they intentionally

1398
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,740
buried it in the article Ralph said he

1399
00:59:26,089 --> 00:59:24,540
said that they didn't want to lead off

1400
00:59:28,789 --> 00:59:26,099
of that because that would be the focus

1401
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,799
of the article that should be the focus

1402
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,720
I don't mean to step on you but no no

1403
00:59:36,109 --> 00:59:33,119
that changes Humanity that's what I see

1404
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,119
the Ralph that's messing around

1405
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:38,640
I I I I you know and and I'm only

1406
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:39,900
laughing and making light of it because

1407
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:42,359
that makes no sense to me if a

1408
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:45,780
journalist can truly vet not vet the

1409
00:59:51,950 --> 00:59:48,720
quote vet the information and I go to a

1410
00:59:53,809 --> 00:59:51,960
journalist I say journalist a I I have

1411
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:53,819
proof of off-world vehicles and that

1412
00:59:57,849 --> 00:59:55,619
journalist comes to me to show me the

1413
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:57,859
proof and I show it that's life-changing

1414
01:00:05,569 --> 01:00:01,440
Humanity changing information for them

1415
01:00:07,849 --> 01:00:05,579
to bury it I mean in my opinion means

1416
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:07,859
they didn't have anything but a vetted

1417
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:11,280
quote and and sure Eric Davis puts his

1418
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:13,559
name to it good for him I I think that's

1419
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:14,579
great

1420
01:00:18,890 --> 01:00:17,160
but what one of the things I'm going

1421
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:18,900
back to this interview because Dr Travis

1422
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:22,380
Taylor is a highly cleared uh working in

1423
01:00:27,470 --> 01:00:24,960
in multiple classified Arenas that is

1424
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:27,480
easily proven that's not an unfounded

1425
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:29,880
claim that's easily proven and he's been

1426
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,920
that way for a long time and I

1427
01:00:36,829 --> 01:00:33,680
specifically asked him about information

1428
01:00:40,010 --> 01:00:36,839
that is inherently classified just by

1429
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:40,020
the mere existence of it or mention of

1430
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,440
it and he as a clearance holder agreed

1431
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,000
that you just can't go around talking

1432
01:00:50,690 --> 01:00:47,400
about things that would be inherently

1433
01:00:52,609 --> 01:00:50,700
classified like the existence of alien

1434
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:52,619
spacecraft off-world vehicles and so on

1435
01:00:58,430 --> 01:00:55,260
so there's so much wrong with the claim

1436
01:01:00,589 --> 01:00:58,440
just from the get-go but then on top of

1437
01:01:02,150 --> 01:01:00,599
that for a journalist to come come back

1438
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,160
and say well we buried it because we

1439
01:01:06,410 --> 01:01:04,160
didn't want that to be the focus

1440
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:06,420
respectfully Ralph that should be the

1441
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:09,180
focus that if you can vet that and you

1442
01:01:12,890 --> 01:01:10,980
put the New York Times Masthead at the

1443
01:01:15,950 --> 01:01:12,900
top

1444
01:01:18,109 --> 01:01:15,960
I'm pretty impressed if they could prove

1445
01:01:19,490 --> 01:01:18,119
it but I don't think they could no doubt

1446
01:01:21,829 --> 01:01:19,500
let's take our break right here I guess

1447
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:21,839
tonight the one and only John Greenwald

1448
01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:24,240
I've got to get this in so let's get it

1449
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:26,460
in right now this is Fade to Black I'm

1450
01:01:33,289 --> 01:01:30,780
your host Jimmy church and uh oh hold on

1451
01:01:35,870 --> 01:01:33,299
let me pull John back hey John I'm

1452
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,880
drinking my Waters check this out check

1453
01:01:41,210 --> 01:01:37,920
this out I didn't have the video loaded

1454
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:41,220
so uh I've got to go here I've got to go

1455
01:01:47,569 --> 01:01:45,240
here I've got to go here and there it is

1456
01:01:49,250 --> 01:01:47,579
see you just saw it pop up all right

1457
01:01:52,670 --> 01:01:49,260
we'll be right back after this short

1458
01:01:54,589 --> 01:01:52,680
break this is Fade to Black stay with us

1459
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,599
this is Jimmy Church of Fade to Black

1460
01:01:59,089 --> 01:01:56,880
please visit all of our sponsors we're

1461
01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:59,099
taking a quick break here all of the

1462
01:02:03,890 --> 01:02:00,839
links are below

1463
01:02:06,109 --> 01:02:03,900
and we'll be right back

1464
01:02:07,089 --> 01:02:06,119
check out Billy Carson's Forbidden

1465
01:02:09,250 --> 01:02:07,099
Knowledge

1466
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,260
forbiddenknowledge.com or

1467
01:02:15,170 --> 01:02:11,280
forbiddenknowledge.tv where you can get

1468
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:15,180
access to over 6 000 videos movies TV

1469
01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,700
series exclusive documentaries like the

1470
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:19,680
Black Knight satellite you can do it all

1471
01:02:25,069 --> 01:02:21,200
for just

1472
01:02:27,650 --> 01:02:25,079
7.77 per month for 77 dollars per year

1473
01:02:29,390 --> 01:02:27,660
after the three-day trial which is also

1474
01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:29,400
totally free to check out it's all

1475
01:02:33,789 --> 01:02:32,099
simple to do Billy Carson is the best

1476
01:02:36,190 --> 01:02:33,799
it's simple

1477
01:02:38,450 --> 01:02:36,200
forbiddenknowledge.com or

1478
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:38,460
forbiddenknowledge.tv that's the number

1479
01:02:46,730 --> 01:02:44,329
I will be hosting an M seeing the

1480
01:02:49,309 --> 01:02:46,740
conscious life Expo this February 10th

1481
01:02:52,250 --> 01:02:49,319
through the 13th at The Lax Hilton right

1482
01:02:54,410 --> 01:02:52,260
here in Los Angeles California 200

1483
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:54,420
speakers including Linda Moulton Howe

1484
01:02:58,910 --> 01:02:56,460
Bashar Deborah King George Nori Daniel

1485
01:03:02,329 --> 01:02:58,920
Sheehan Scott Walter Sean Stone and

1486
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:02,339
David Wolfe over 200 vendors special

1487
01:03:08,930 --> 01:03:06,180
events this is the biggest event of its

1488
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:08,940
kind on planet Earth you've got to come

1489
01:03:13,609 --> 01:03:10,920
and hang out with all of us tickets and

1490
01:03:15,230 --> 01:03:13,619
info at consciouslifeexpo.com the links

1491
01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:15,240
are below

1492
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:18,599
on Saturday April 1st that's right April

1493
01:03:23,930 --> 01:03:21,780
Fool's Day 2023 I will be hosting the

1494
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:23,940
peripod festival at the Hyatt Regency

1495
01:03:29,930 --> 01:03:27,480
right here in Valencia California it's a

1496
01:03:32,990 --> 01:03:29,940
live one-day podcast Awards it's a film

1497
01:03:34,970 --> 01:03:33,000
festival it's a full-on media event

1498
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:34,980
we're going to have Sky watching because

1499
01:03:39,170 --> 01:03:36,480
it's going to be a Lifetime Achievement

1500
01:03:41,089 --> 01:03:39,180
Award presented to Linda Moulton Howe

1501
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:41,099
right now you can submit your podcast

1502
01:03:46,430 --> 01:03:43,740
your film your TV series any of your

1503
01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:46,440
paranormal media for consideration you

1504
01:03:51,609 --> 01:03:48,420
can do all of that on the links below

1505
01:03:53,510 --> 01:03:51,619
for info and tickets go to

1506
01:03:56,589 --> 01:03:53,520
parapodfilmfest.com that's

1507
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,650
April 7th through the 14th 2023 I'll be

1508
01:04:05,210 --> 01:04:02,280
hosting and presenting on the hidden

1509
01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:05,220
secrets seminar at Sea cruise from Los

1510
01:04:10,190 --> 01:04:07,859
Angeles to the Mexican Riviera I'm the

1511
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:10,200
Navigator of the Seas that's right up

1512
01:04:14,450 --> 01:04:12,780
top a giant water slide you've got to

1513
01:04:16,370 --> 01:04:14,460
check out the Navigator of the Seas it's

1514
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,380
amazing we've got Scott Walter Adam

1515
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:18,720
Apollo Nick Pope Brad Olson Vivian

1516
01:04:23,930 --> 01:04:21,660
Chauvet Jason shirka Robert Grant Reuben

1517
01:04:26,270 --> 01:04:23,940
Langdon and another 12 amazing speakers

1518
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:26,280
and presenters it's all simple to do

1519
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:27,680
just visit

1520
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:30,119
divinetravels.com forward slash hidden

1521
01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:33,839
secrets 2023 you know you want to go on

1522
01:04:39,530 --> 01:04:36,119
a cruise with me

1523
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:39,540
River Moon coffee makers of the Fade to

1524
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:42,359
Black blend truly the best coffee on

1525
01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:44,240
planet Earth just visit

1526
01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:46,500
rivermoonwellness.com or or their Amazon

1527
01:04:49,789 --> 01:04:48,359
store it's all simple to do you can

1528
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,799
check out the Fade to Black blend the

1529
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:51,839
game changer Blend or any of their black

1530
01:04:58,250 --> 01:04:54,480
moon wellness products it's the only

1531
01:05:05,390 --> 01:04:58,260
coffee I drink it is the best and it's

1532
01:05:11,150 --> 01:05:08,210
all right welcome back I am your host

1533
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:11,160
Jimmy church tonight John Greenwald is

1534
01:05:16,849 --> 01:05:14,400
with us and uh before that short break

1535
01:05:20,569 --> 01:05:16,859
uh John we were talking about Travis

1536
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:20,579
Taylor and there were um if you if you

1537
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:24,299
don't mind uh everybody can go uh to

1538
01:05:30,470 --> 01:05:26,339
your YouTube channel and I'm sure it's

1539
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:30,480
up on uh uh The Black Vault right it's

1540
01:05:35,390 --> 01:05:32,460
there in the website

1541
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:35,400
oh you're you're muted what unmute

1542
01:05:40,329 --> 01:05:37,740
yourself uh do you need audio during

1543
01:05:43,730 --> 01:05:40,339
these programs sorry

1544
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:43,740
more than your your Black Vault shirt I

1545
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:46,559
can yes well this is a this is a must

1546
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:48,000
um though the easy way to get to that

1547
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:51,599
channel theblackvault.com live and that

1548
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:52,980
will forward you over to the channel

1549
01:05:58,430 --> 01:05:55,380
okay great

1550
01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:58,440
um uh a lot of people have been talking

1551
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:02,040
about that interview uh today

1552
01:06:07,190 --> 01:06:04,380
um and uh specifically and I don't want

1553
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:07,200
to you know kick a dead horse here but

1554
01:06:11,390 --> 01:06:10,559
uh out of all of his comments you know I

1555
01:06:13,309 --> 01:06:11,400
saw

1556
01:06:16,010 --> 01:06:13,319
oh man I hate to say the name out loud

1557
01:06:18,589 --> 01:06:16,020
Mick West you know he had to jump in but

1558
01:06:22,609 --> 01:06:18,599
and we can Circle back to that

1559
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:22,619
but uh his comments about Bob Lazar

1560
01:06:28,910 --> 01:06:26,280
um that uh the community uh Lazar is a

1561
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:28,920
name that once it pops up people are

1562
01:06:34,609 --> 01:06:32,099
going to express their opinion and

1563
01:06:37,609 --> 01:06:34,619
they're they're always interested in all

1564
01:06:40,430 --> 01:06:37,619
things Lazar uh what did you what was

1565
01:06:43,970 --> 01:06:40,440
your takeaway from Travis's comments

1566
01:06:46,130 --> 01:06:43,980
I I highly respect what he was saying

1567
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:46,140
and the reason why I say it that way is

1568
01:06:50,450 --> 01:06:48,180
that he's not just jumping on the

1569
01:06:53,089 --> 01:06:50,460
bandwagon because by him supporting

1570
01:06:55,010 --> 01:06:53,099
someone like Lazar throwing the story of

1571
01:06:57,470 --> 01:06:55,020
bone and and giving it some Credence

1572
01:06:59,930 --> 01:06:57,480
would actually help someone like Dr

1573
01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,940
Travis Taylor if if you know his views

1574
01:07:03,650 --> 01:07:01,920
and you see the way my my interview went

1575
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:03,660
with him it would essentially help

1576
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,299
support a few things but I think that

1577
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:08,400
the problem that I've had with lazar's

1578
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,460
story for a long time the problem that a

1579
01:07:16,370 --> 01:07:13,680
lot of other people have uh with a story

1580
01:07:18,829 --> 01:07:16,380
for a long time are what Dr Taylor has

1581
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:18,839
with his story that you just don't get

1582
01:07:23,930 --> 01:07:22,079
into the positions that you are in with

1583
01:07:26,930 --> 01:07:23,940
that type of educational background

1584
01:07:29,630 --> 01:07:26,940
question mark and I know for some that

1585
01:07:31,730 --> 01:07:29,640
that's a very dated argument for Lazar

1586
01:07:34,370 --> 01:07:31,740
that he's not able to prove his

1587
01:07:36,049 --> 01:07:34,380
educational background but I'm sorry all

1588
01:07:37,430 --> 01:07:36,059
evidence points to if you're going to be

1589
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:37,440
working on these highly classified

1590
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:39,539
programs you're going to have to have

1591
01:07:46,370 --> 01:07:43,740
some type of educational background to

1592
01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:46,380
justify you being there now I know a lot

1593
01:07:50,210 --> 01:07:47,819
of people have kind of

1594
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:50,220
I I think forgiven him for that that

1595
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:52,859
maybe he lied his way in there or lied

1596
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,780
to be a little bit more impressive than

1597
01:07:59,270 --> 01:07:56,880
he really was whatever it doesn't matter

1598
01:08:02,089 --> 01:07:59,280
when you that's only one piece of the

1599
01:08:03,710 --> 01:08:02,099
puzzle and so to hear Dr Taylor talk

1600
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:03,720
about that

1601
01:08:08,809 --> 01:08:07,260
um I think was was very uh admirable I

1602
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:08,819
think he he spoke with a lot of Candor

1603
01:08:14,450 --> 01:08:11,940
during our interview I think that he was

1604
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,460
very honest with his answers when he

1605
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:17,759
couldn't answer he he said so but I

1606
01:08:22,970 --> 01:08:20,640
think that his his response to Lazar is

1607
01:08:27,110 --> 01:08:22,980
somebody that is speaking from history

1608
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:27,120
with knowledge about classified Arenas

1609
01:08:30,829 --> 01:08:28,859
talking about security clearances

1610
01:08:32,990 --> 01:08:30,839
educational backgrounds getting into

1611
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,000
those uh to those Arenas and working

1612
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:35,520
you're not just any Joe schmoe when

1613
01:08:40,849 --> 01:08:38,520
you're at that that level to close the

1614
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:40,859
thought I had also again brought up that

1615
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,980
that fact to Dr Taylor of the

1616
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:45,600
information just being inherently

1617
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,759
classified that you can't just go around

1618
01:08:53,090 --> 01:08:49,560
and start talking about this kind of

1619
01:08:56,090 --> 01:08:53,100
stuff and like nothing happens and when

1620
01:08:58,930 --> 01:08:56,100
you have information conveyed to the

1621
01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:58,940
public like let's say the the FBI raid

1622
01:09:03,650 --> 01:09:01,799
and and and giving credence that they

1623
01:09:06,110 --> 01:09:03,660
were looking for element 115 this was in

1624
01:09:07,789 --> 01:09:06,120
Jeremy corbell's documentary but when

1625
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,799
you look at the actual police records

1626
01:09:11,329 --> 01:09:08,880
that they were looking for something

1627
01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:11,339
else and it was a murderer investigation

1628
01:09:15,650 --> 01:09:13,859
it was a murder investigation right all

1629
01:09:18,769 --> 01:09:15,660
of that kind of stuff just doesn't help

1630
01:09:20,510 --> 01:09:18,779
and and it just has piled up so yeah

1631
01:09:22,849 --> 01:09:20,520
he's going to get heat for that but you

1632
01:09:24,610 --> 01:09:22,859
know what I I support him saying it I I

1633
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:24,620
think you should really

1634
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:27,420
respect that Viewpoint it doesn't mean

1635
01:09:30,349 --> 01:09:28,799
that we all have to agree with

1636
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:30,359
everything that he says even on Lazar

1637
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:31,500
there's going to be people out there

1638
01:09:36,169 --> 01:09:33,839
that still believe lazar's story but I

1639
01:09:38,809 --> 01:09:36,179
respect somebody who can speak honestly

1640
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:38,819
about it and give their their opinion so

1641
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:40,799
I I give them a lot of props for that

1642
01:09:47,530 --> 01:09:43,620
well you and I uh are from the valley

1643
01:09:50,209 --> 01:09:47,540
okay and most listening to the show

1644
01:09:53,150 --> 01:09:50,219
they've the only reference to the valley

1645
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:53,160
is valley girl or or something by Frank

1646
01:09:59,510 --> 01:09:56,040
Zappa or or the movie

1647
01:10:01,130 --> 01:09:59,520
um and they don't understand uh what the

1648
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,140
valley represents but when you're from

1649
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:04,080
the valley like you and I are

1650
01:10:09,290 --> 01:10:06,420
um we know everything that's going on

1651
01:10:13,370 --> 01:10:09,300
here and we all know Pierce College

1652
01:10:16,610 --> 01:10:13,380
right and and uh Pierce College is great

1653
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:16,620
Technical Community College

1654
01:10:21,890 --> 01:10:18,840
um a pretty cool campus and stuff but

1655
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:21,900
that's what it is and

1656
01:10:30,290 --> 01:10:25,920
um I don't see and I I could be wrong

1657
01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:30,300
here how you go from that to MIT and

1658
01:10:38,510 --> 01:10:34,679
Caltech on short order and get as Lazar

1659
01:10:42,290 --> 01:10:38,520
said Advanced degrees in physics yeah

1660
01:10:46,010 --> 01:10:42,300
out uh without

1661
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:46,020
um friends other physicists

1662
01:10:50,770 --> 01:10:48,719
um and and I think it's a it's a it's a

1663
01:10:54,770 --> 01:10:50,780
disrespect to the the physics Community

1664
01:10:57,169 --> 01:10:54,780
where physicists around the world they

1665
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:57,179
all know each other yeah they they're

1666
01:11:01,550 --> 01:10:59,699
reading their papers they're watching

1667
01:11:04,610 --> 01:11:01,560
their research they they are friends

1668
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:04,620
they share them from this is a very it's

1669
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:08,219
to be a a physicist

1670
01:11:13,010 --> 01:11:11,040
right that it's it's a rare thing

1671
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:13,020
there's not that many physicists on

1672
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:14,340
planet Earth I've looked up in the

1673
01:11:19,030 --> 01:11:16,679
numbers it's it's not that very it's not

1674
01:11:22,070 --> 01:11:19,040
that big but they all know each other

1675
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:22,080
and and to say that you're this and

1676
01:11:26,270 --> 01:11:23,460
you're this and you're this and to have

1677
01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:26,280
not anybody come out and say yeah you

1678
01:11:29,930 --> 01:11:28,199
know he he we worked on a project

1679
01:11:31,970 --> 01:11:29,940
together we did a research paper

1680
01:11:35,030 --> 01:11:31,980
together we did this together but that

1681
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:35,040
hasn't happened any other physicist can

1682
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:39,060
show you that piles deep and and that's

1683
01:11:43,310 --> 01:11:40,560
the that's the issue that I've always

1684
01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:43,320
had is there's just nothing out there to

1685
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:46,140
support it not not as not as school

1686
01:11:52,270 --> 01:11:49,860
records just just another physicist yeah

1687
01:11:55,070 --> 01:11:52,280
well I think all even all of that aside

1688
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,080
the introduction of what I would

1689
01:12:02,450 --> 01:11:58,199
consider a faked document in the form of

1690
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:02,460
a W-2 and he made a very common error

1691
01:12:09,709 --> 01:12:05,760
especially in that time frame that he

1692
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,719
put on a W-2 form Department of Naval

1693
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:12,480
intelligence now this is actually a

1694
01:12:16,010 --> 01:12:14,520
somewhat common mistake somebody might

1695
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:16,020
hear that and go yeah there is a

1696
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:18,360
department of Naval intelligence and and

1697
01:12:23,810 --> 01:12:21,600
we it still exists today and and what's

1698
01:12:25,850 --> 01:12:23,820
the problem with that well it's it's not

1699
01:12:28,910 --> 01:12:25,860
a department it's an office the Office

1700
01:12:32,810 --> 01:12:28,920
of Naval intelligence oh and I and that

1701
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:32,820
may sound like a very small error but

1702
01:12:37,970 --> 01:12:35,100
when you look at it that was a very

1703
01:12:41,209 --> 01:12:37,980
common mistake so I think when he when

1704
01:12:44,090 --> 01:12:41,219
whomever created this this what I would

1705
01:12:45,530 --> 01:12:44,100
consider fake document they put that

1706
01:12:47,390 --> 01:12:45,540
error on there because because they

1707
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:47,400
didn't know any better the department of

1708
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:50,159
Naval intelligence has never existed the

1709
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,020
Office of Naval intelligence is under

1710
01:12:56,470 --> 01:12:55,080
the department of the Navy so we're

1711
01:12:59,149 --> 01:12:56,480
talking about two different things

1712
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:59,159
departments as a whole like the

1713
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:00,840
Department of State or the defense

1714
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,860
department or Department of energy those

1715
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:06,719
are independent Departments of the

1716
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:09,540
United States government uh and and

1717
01:13:13,610 --> 01:13:11,520
something that you can you know track

1718
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:13,620
back and obviously there's there's ample

1719
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:15,600
evidence to support those those

1720
01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:18,840
departments exist nothing supports that

1721
01:13:24,649 --> 01:13:21,020
the department of Naval intelligence

1722
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:24,659
exists what does exist are errors and

1723
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:26,520
some people one researcher in particular

1724
01:13:33,110 --> 01:13:29,340
has kind of tried to to rile that whole

1725
01:13:36,050 --> 01:13:33,120
thing up that he found uh proof of the

1726
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,060
Department of Naval intelligence and so

1727
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:38,880
I I went back to him and all he found

1728
01:13:42,830 --> 01:13:41,280
was a finding Aid so these archives like

1729
01:13:45,709 --> 01:13:42,840
the National Archives which is where he

1730
01:13:48,950 --> 01:13:45,719
found it uh listed Department of Naval

1731
01:13:52,010 --> 01:13:48,960
intelligence and I said hey well these

1732
01:13:54,410 --> 01:13:52,020
finding AIDS are are really inaccurate a

1733
01:13:56,810 --> 01:13:54,420
lot of times I mean I have ample proof

1734
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:56,820
of that but I said you know great find

1735
01:14:00,110 --> 01:13:59,159
love that you're doing the work why

1736
01:14:02,270 --> 01:14:00,120
don't you just give the National

1737
01:14:04,250 --> 01:14:02,280
Archives a call and have them pull those

1738
01:14:06,770 --> 01:14:04,260
boxes that the finding Aid is reported

1739
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:06,780
that is pointing to and see if the

1740
01:14:10,189 --> 01:14:08,340
department of Naval intelligence is in

1741
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:10,199
there if it is you got yourself a gold

1742
01:14:14,990 --> 01:14:13,679
mine uh but I would bet money that they

1743
01:14:16,669 --> 01:14:15,000
made a mistake in the finding Aid

1744
01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:16,679
because a lot of times they're interns

1745
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:18,540
that go in and they just go through a

1746
01:14:23,209 --> 01:14:20,219
bunch of boxes and they make finding

1747
01:14:26,649 --> 01:14:23,219
AIDS so people like me can go in and go

1748
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:26,659
okay here's information from 1975 from

1749
01:14:31,310 --> 01:14:29,580
whatever Agency on whatever topic you

1750
01:14:34,250 --> 01:14:31,320
know so those finding AIDS can be very

1751
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,260
useful but again not always accurate and

1752
01:14:39,890 --> 01:14:36,480
and that person got very angry at me and

1753
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:39,900
ended up blocking me because another

1754
01:14:43,729 --> 01:14:41,520
researcher by the name of Dean Johnson

1755
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:43,739
who follows a lot of this stuff and Bob

1756
01:14:50,110 --> 01:14:47,520
lazar's story got in writing a source

1757
01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,120
from the from the U.S Navy a historian

1758
01:14:55,250 --> 01:14:52,199
that said the department of Naval

1759
01:14:57,110 --> 01:14:55,260
intelligence never existed so so there's

1760
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:57,120
ample evidence to show that it didn't

1761
01:15:01,669 --> 01:14:59,760
exist While others are trying to make it

1762
01:15:03,470 --> 01:15:01,679
exist but can't show any proof and if

1763
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,480
you question it you know they pretty

1764
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:05,280
much uh just kind of shut you down and

1765
01:15:10,070 --> 01:15:08,040
don't want to listen so going back to

1766
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,080
why I'm bringing up this story is when

1767
01:15:15,050 --> 01:15:12,239
you introduce a fake document to the

1768
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:15,060
story you have really lost a lot of

1769
01:15:19,790 --> 01:15:17,820
credibility in my book if you came to me

1770
01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:19,800
with a story like this and the only

1771
01:15:23,930 --> 01:15:21,780
issue was education

1772
01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:23,940
sure I'd look at it I'd still have my

1773
01:15:27,709 --> 01:15:25,860
questions but that's just the education

1774
01:15:30,169 --> 01:15:27,719
part but when you add in the fake

1775
01:15:32,990 --> 01:15:30,179
document when you add in the the issue

1776
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:33,000
about security clearances and and all of

1777
01:15:37,550 --> 01:15:35,280
that stuff that has piled up over the

1778
01:15:41,689 --> 01:15:37,560
years it's too much in my book it really

1779
01:15:44,410 --> 01:15:41,699
is here's here here's the strange part

1780
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:44,420
um and I'm I'm going to admit to this

1781
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,600
that uh from the beginning

1782
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,880
um when some of these I'm talking about

1783
01:15:56,630 --> 01:15:53,520
you know going into the 80s and the 90s

1784
01:15:59,750 --> 01:15:56,640
when it came to Lazar

1785
01:16:04,070 --> 01:15:59,760
um that uh I suffered from cognitive

1786
01:16:08,209 --> 01:16:04,080
dissonance I I allowed myself to ignore

1787
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:08,219
everything I was all in on Lazar my

1788
01:16:16,729 --> 01:16:14,159
chips were in and I I believed him and

1789
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:16,739
and going back to to Lear in the

1790
01:16:21,169 --> 01:16:19,260
original videos and him jumping out of

1791
01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:21,179
his Corvette remember that slamming the

1792
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:24,360
door hi I'm Bob Lazar and a little VHS

1793
01:16:29,570 --> 01:16:26,340
video yeah yeah yeah I love those videos

1794
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,580
man yeah I watched them constantly and

1795
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:31,440
with him on the Whiteboard remember that

1796
01:16:37,490 --> 01:16:34,080
and and and going through his thing and

1797
01:16:39,229 --> 01:16:37,500
uh that little alien presentation in the

1798
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:39,239
in the military tent all of that stuff

1799
01:16:45,709 --> 01:16:43,199
and I was trying to get him to slip up

1800
01:16:49,310 --> 01:16:45,719
right and I was like no no I'm I'm

1801
01:16:52,070 --> 01:16:49,320
pretty confident he's he he's on point

1802
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,080
here everything else dude I had the

1803
01:16:55,970 --> 01:16:54,480
blinders on you know and and the

1804
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:55,980
evidence was there I wouldn't listen to

1805
01:17:04,130 --> 01:17:00,480
it I didn't care and that today Bob

1806
01:17:06,410 --> 01:17:04,140
still has that support you know maybe he

1807
01:17:09,050 --> 01:17:06,420
did go out to Area 51 maybe he did maybe

1808
01:17:10,970 --> 01:17:09,060
he got on the Janet Airline maybe he did

1809
01:17:14,689 --> 01:17:10,980
fly out there two or three or four times

1810
01:17:17,209 --> 01:17:14,699
and then he just got caught up in it you

1811
01:17:20,270 --> 01:17:17,219
know and and these things about

1812
01:17:23,870 --> 01:17:20,280
MIT and Caltech and

1813
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:23,880
sport models and and 115. this just it

1814
01:17:29,570 --> 01:17:26,520
got away from him you know because

1815
01:17:31,669 --> 01:17:29,580
people he was a rock star you know and I

1816
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:31,679
I think that that goes to a lot of

1817
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,739
people's head when you come out with a

1818
01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:37,199
story like that especially pre-internet

1819
01:17:41,570 --> 01:17:39,540
really and he was uh like you said a

1820
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,580
rock star

1821
01:17:45,290 --> 01:17:43,679
um I I truly believe that maybe after

1822
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:45,300
all these years and this isn't a knock

1823
01:17:48,890 --> 01:17:46,980
on him but he but I wouldn't be

1824
01:17:51,050 --> 01:17:48,900
surprised if he could even pass a lie

1825
01:17:53,570 --> 01:17:51,060
detector test because I think that he's

1826
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:53,580
told the story so many times and maybe

1827
01:17:59,570 --> 01:17:57,600
even believes it but the question is why

1828
01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:59,580
did it start in the first place because

1829
01:18:04,030 --> 01:18:01,380
I I don't believe that it happened I

1830
01:18:06,050 --> 01:18:04,040
believe that if there were uh Alien

1831
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:06,060
saucers that were being reverse

1832
01:18:11,630 --> 01:18:09,060
engineered anybody that was working on

1833
01:18:14,570 --> 01:18:11,640
that you would never hear their name

1834
01:18:16,790 --> 01:18:14,580
ever that you wouldn't hear them in a

1835
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:16,800
silhouetted interview you wouldn't hear

1836
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,600
their name that came out after you

1837
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:20,040
wouldn't see them do conferences you

1838
01:18:23,330 --> 01:18:21,960
wouldn't see them sell books you

1839
01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:23,340
wouldn't see them in documentaries on

1840
01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:25,800
Netflix nothing I truly believe that I I

1841
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:28,020
don't believe that people like that

1842
01:18:32,689 --> 01:18:30,719
would would come out into the open what

1843
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:32,699
I do believe is likely the story is he

1844
01:18:37,550 --> 01:18:34,980
probably did have uh some kind of work

1845
01:18:39,290 --> 01:18:37,560
he probably did go to area 51. he

1846
01:18:42,050 --> 01:18:39,300
probably did work for what was it Kirk

1847
01:18:45,050 --> 01:18:42,060
Meyer the the contractor almost yeah

1848
01:18:48,649 --> 01:18:45,060
yeah so I I there's there's elements to

1849
01:18:50,930 --> 01:18:48,659
the story that are likely true but all

1850
01:18:52,490 --> 01:18:50,940
of these other ones that again just if

1851
01:18:55,850 --> 01:18:52,500
you look at it from a common sense

1852
01:18:58,610 --> 01:18:55,860
standpoint it just doesn't make sense

1853
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,620
because if somebody like that

1854
01:19:02,149 --> 01:19:00,840
and again I'll nutshell this because I

1855
01:19:03,169 --> 01:19:02,159
don't want to take well however much

1856
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,179
time you want to spend at your show

1857
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:06,480
Jimmy I um but but this is yours

1858
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:09,120
obviously the point the point the point

1859
01:19:13,790 --> 01:19:11,580
that I'm trying to make uh is that if

1860
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:13,800
somebody has that knowledge and they're

1861
01:19:18,830 --> 01:19:16,380
working on that at that time frame I

1862
01:19:20,870 --> 01:19:18,840
believe the number of people that would

1863
01:19:21,830 --> 01:19:20,880
have that knowledge would be small right

1864
01:19:23,510 --> 01:19:21,840
I don't think there's going to be

1865
01:19:26,270 --> 01:19:23,520
thousands of people at like a Palmdale

1866
01:19:28,490 --> 01:19:26,280
plant uh like present day but rather it

1867
01:19:30,649 --> 01:19:28,500
would be very small you would keep that

1868
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:30,659
knowledge very tight because you're

1869
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:32,699
talking about world-changing highly

1870
01:19:38,270 --> 01:19:35,699
classified information uh that could

1871
01:19:40,130 --> 01:19:38,280
could change everything on this planet

1872
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:40,140
so I think you're going to keep that

1873
01:19:44,330 --> 01:19:42,420
very very tight and if somebody like

1874
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:44,340
that starts talking to the media I

1875
01:19:47,689 --> 01:19:45,840
believe that they meaning the the

1876
01:19:49,550 --> 01:19:47,699
government those that were trying to

1877
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:49,560
keep that secret would know if you

1878
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,120
popped up on a silhouetted interview

1879
01:19:56,750 --> 01:19:54,719
they would know and once you do that the

1880
01:19:59,570 --> 01:19:56,760
list of people that would be to blame

1881
01:20:01,550 --> 01:19:59,580
would be so small that I think that they

1882
01:20:04,970 --> 01:20:01,560
could easily Peg whomever that that

1883
01:20:08,050 --> 01:20:04,980
person was uh and so when you look at it

1884
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:08,060
from that standpoint nobody shut it down

1885
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:11,400
nobody cared to shut it down you have

1886
01:20:16,669 --> 01:20:13,800
the legal issues that Bob Lazar got into

1887
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:16,679
outside of all of this talk which I

1888
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,100
won't mention here but you have that um

1889
01:20:25,370 --> 01:20:22,560
that problem he had with the law a

1890
01:20:28,370 --> 01:20:25,380
couple times throughout the years and

1891
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:28,380
you start looking at it that

1892
01:20:32,750 --> 01:20:30,420
you're not going to be that guy anymore

1893
01:20:35,709 --> 01:20:32,760
if that's who you were I I believe you

1894
01:20:39,110 --> 01:20:35,719
would be locked away and you have

1895
01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:39,120
numerous examples over the Decades of

1896
01:20:43,010 --> 01:20:40,500
people that have taken classified

1897
01:20:45,130 --> 01:20:43,020
information and put it out into the open

1898
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:45,140
whether that be for

1899
01:20:49,370 --> 01:20:47,640
transparency so the the greater masses

1900
01:20:52,669 --> 01:20:49,380
can can understand what's really going

1901
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:52,679
on and the Snowden leaks and so on uh

1902
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:55,260
you look at uh all the the Wikileaks

1903
01:20:58,790 --> 01:20:57,120
stuff that is has come out but even

1904
01:21:00,530 --> 01:20:58,800
prior to that people taking classified

1905
01:21:02,810 --> 01:21:00,540
information where are they they're

1906
01:21:05,209 --> 01:21:02,820
either in jail locked up or in holes

1907
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:05,219
somewhere hiding in other countries

1908
01:21:10,570 --> 01:21:07,679
where they can't be extradited right

1909
01:21:13,610 --> 01:21:10,580
they're not running a fireworks

1910
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:13,620
manufacturing company or or running

1911
01:21:18,470 --> 01:21:16,800
a.com selling chemicals you know or

1912
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:18,480
selling T-shirts and appearing at

1913
01:21:22,669 --> 01:21:20,640
conferences that's not who they are so

1914
01:21:24,770 --> 01:21:22,679
to me there's just way too much that

1915
01:21:27,649 --> 01:21:24,780
that doesn't match up and you have real

1916
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:27,659
world examples to compare on why it

1917
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:31,679
doesn't match up yeah yeah and uh not to

1918
01:21:37,010 --> 01:21:34,380
I can I I agree with you not to continue

1919
01:21:40,490 --> 01:21:37,020
on with the story because

1920
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:40,500
um I I I I was all in on Bob what made

1921
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:43,679
me pull back on Bob was that that that

1922
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:47,760
little thing in in the film and the FBI

1923
01:21:55,370 --> 01:21:53,280
raid and and that the the it's strong

1924
01:21:58,010 --> 01:21:55,380
insinuation that that was about Element

1925
01:22:01,610 --> 01:21:58,020
115 when clearly that wasn't the case

1926
01:22:03,649 --> 01:22:01,620
and Lazar knew that and uh at the time

1927
01:22:05,810 --> 01:22:03,659
he knew and it's search one we're

1928
01:22:07,490 --> 01:22:05,820
looking for this receipt for this

1929
01:22:10,130 --> 01:22:07,500
element uh we're in a murder

1930
01:22:13,070 --> 01:22:10,140
investigation somebody was poisoned

1931
01:22:15,709 --> 01:22:13,080
um by a rare Earth element we need to

1932
01:22:17,390 --> 01:22:15,719
come in here and find this paperwork he

1933
01:22:19,729 --> 01:22:17,400
knew

1934
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:19,739
was you know and and to imply that

1935
01:22:24,290 --> 01:22:22,440
that's what made me back off man it just

1936
01:22:26,689 --> 01:22:24,300
it just didn't sit right with me but

1937
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:26,699
here's here's the thing

1938
01:22:32,990 --> 01:22:30,780
when Bob uh first started making these

1939
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:33,000
statements how did he know about the

1940
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:34,980
UFOs when they were flying right those

1941
01:22:38,630 --> 01:22:37,199
that was pretty interesting right the

1942
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,640
test flights that was pretty interesting

1943
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:40,560
and it's something that people still

1944
01:22:47,270 --> 01:22:43,679
hang their hat on today I get that right

1945
01:22:52,669 --> 01:22:47,280
but to describe S4

1946
01:22:55,790 --> 01:22:52,679
and uh Papoose Lake and on a bus

1947
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:55,800
guard Shacks right all of this and the

1948
01:22:59,149 --> 01:22:57,900
hanger doors on the side and when he

1949
01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:59,159
didn't Bank on

1950
01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:01,080
was that one day we would have something

1951
01:23:05,930 --> 01:23:03,719
called Google Earth right he didn't make

1952
01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:05,940
out of that and you could go and you

1953
01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:09,060
show me some show me a dirt road let

1954
01:23:15,649 --> 01:23:11,699
alone a paved Road show me tire tracks

1955
01:23:18,350 --> 01:23:15,659
show me anything uh any I have looked

1956
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:18,360
and scoured through every photograph

1957
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:19,920
everywhere and there's nothing there's

1958
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,520
no it doesn't exist so he didn't he

1959
01:23:27,530 --> 01:23:26,159
didn't know nobody knew you know back

1960
01:23:30,709 --> 01:23:27,540
then that we would have this kind of

1961
01:23:34,130 --> 01:23:30,719
ability today to go and look at any of

1962
01:23:38,030 --> 01:23:34,140
this and it just it's simply not there

1963
01:23:40,610 --> 01:23:38,040
so yeah again I had cognitive dissonance

1964
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:40,620
man I was a victim of it I had it I was

1965
01:23:46,010 --> 01:23:43,739
I was diseased John I wouldn't listen

1966
01:23:48,229 --> 01:23:46,020
it's easy to let happen especially with

1967
01:23:50,810 --> 01:23:48,239
with it's a legend right and he is a

1968
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:50,820
legend there's there's no going away

1969
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:52,800
from the fact that his name will live on

1970
01:23:57,470 --> 01:23:55,500
for decades and decades still right

1971
01:23:59,810 --> 01:23:57,480
despite all the evidence to the contrary

1972
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,820
that his story is is likely and

1973
01:24:05,990 --> 01:24:01,440
primarily bunk

1974
01:24:07,790 --> 01:24:06,000
he will add to this field by name uh for

1975
01:24:09,530 --> 01:24:07,800
a long time he will live on is where I'm

1976
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:09,540
going with that part of me wants it all

1977
01:24:15,050 --> 01:24:12,840
to be true man you know me too why not

1978
01:24:16,910 --> 01:24:15,060
the world changes this is what I don't

1979
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,920
get where some people that if you're

1980
01:24:21,410 --> 01:24:19,440
skeptical about something uh it's like

1981
01:24:23,149 --> 01:24:21,420
you're trying to squash disclosure when

1982
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,159
people don't realize I am a full

1983
01:24:26,450 --> 01:24:24,960
supporter that if someone like Bob Lazar

1984
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:26,460
comes out and that story is true and

1985
01:24:31,669 --> 01:24:29,520
provable that changes Humanity who

1986
01:24:34,610 --> 01:24:31,679
wouldn't want that because that opens up

1987
01:24:36,649 --> 01:24:34,620
so many more doors that you can start

1988
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:36,659
start knocking on and trying to figure

1989
01:24:41,149 --> 01:24:39,000
out what else is there and so on and so

1990
01:24:44,570 --> 01:24:41,159
forth and and some of the arguments

1991
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,580
pushing back on on that skepticism uh

1992
01:24:49,610 --> 01:24:47,280
just don't make sense whatsoever plain

1993
01:24:51,050 --> 01:24:49,620
and simple if it were true and I want I

1994
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:51,060
wish it were

1995
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:54,120
it would change Humanity like why why

1996
01:24:57,590 --> 01:24:55,800
wouldn't we want that and and that's

1997
01:24:58,570 --> 01:24:57,600
what I don't understand but that's where

1998
01:25:02,930 --> 01:24:58,580
we're at

1999
01:25:04,850 --> 01:25:02,940
yeah yeah not to uh now okay uh back to

2000
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:04,860
Travis Taylor

2001
01:25:10,729 --> 01:25:08,400
um where TT You Know Travis

2002
01:25:12,830 --> 01:25:10,739
um I think he's a very likable guy he's

2003
01:25:15,050 --> 01:25:12,840
very well spoken and uh he's

2004
01:25:17,390 --> 01:25:15,060
credentialed and and he's got all of

2005
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:17,400
that going for him right

2006
01:25:25,390 --> 01:25:18,320
um

2007
01:25:28,430 --> 01:25:25,400
Travis where to me

2008
01:25:32,290 --> 01:25:28,440
this is just an observation he seems to

2009
01:25:35,270 --> 01:25:32,300
be everywhere every man all the time

2010
01:25:38,209 --> 01:25:35,280
right he's like every man's everywhere

2011
01:25:41,209 --> 01:25:38,219
all the time dude he's on all the TV

2012
01:25:43,610 --> 01:25:41,219
shows he's on all the conferences

2013
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:43,620
um he's knowledgeable in all of the

2014
01:25:47,390 --> 01:25:45,360
subjects

2015
01:25:49,689 --> 01:25:47,400
um you know has he been on Oak Island

2016
01:25:52,490 --> 01:25:49,699
yet

2017
01:25:54,169 --> 01:25:52,500
well you laugh I to be honest with you I

2018
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:54,179
think so but I I to be honest with you I

2019
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:55,679
don't know for sure I don't know either

2020
01:26:01,070 --> 01:25:59,280
but I'm just saying you know and so

2021
01:26:02,810 --> 01:26:01,080
um which I want to take this back to

2022
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,820
your point

2023
01:26:07,129 --> 01:26:03,920
um

2024
01:26:09,530 --> 01:26:07,139
would somebody like that with knowledge

2025
01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:09,540
be out in the public

2026
01:26:16,850 --> 01:26:14,100
so is is Travis basing his belief system

2027
01:26:18,050 --> 01:26:16,860
which is religious right to believe in

2028
01:26:19,629 --> 01:26:18,060
something

2029
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:19,639
um that

2030
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:24,480
is it is is it based on fact

2031
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:27,179
is has he been read in has he seen

2032
01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:29,760
something or is he just trying to

2033
01:26:34,129 --> 01:26:31,800
scientifically prove this because I've

2034
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:34,139
got a lot of respect for the guy yeah

2035
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:37,040
what was fascinating with the interview

2036
01:26:43,310 --> 01:26:40,860
was the fact that he wasn't making the

2037
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:43,320
explosive claims that he wasn't coming

2038
01:26:49,370 --> 01:26:46,380
to me saying you know look John I can't

2039
01:26:51,649 --> 01:26:49,380
tell you but they're aliens you know

2040
01:26:54,350 --> 01:26:51,659
like he wasn't doing anything crazy like

2041
01:26:56,750 --> 01:26:54,360
that and and in fact towards the end of

2042
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:56,760
the interview there was such a genuine

2043
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:59,760
answer from him that he said out of

2044
01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:01,199
everything that I look at that he

2045
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:03,480
essentially was kind of leaning towards

2046
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,120
a extraterrestrial hypothesis but he

2047
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,159
couldn't prove it now I'm kind of

2048
01:27:12,530 --> 01:27:10,320
paraphrasing there but there's that's

2049
01:27:16,490 --> 01:27:12,540
such a genuine way to frame it because

2050
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:16,500
he's not coming to me with some kind of

2051
01:27:21,290 --> 01:27:18,780
shrouded Cloak and Dagger type story

2052
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:21,300
that he's making these huge claims but

2053
01:27:26,990 --> 01:27:24,420
rather saying look I lean this way but

2054
01:27:30,590 --> 01:27:27,000
John I can't I can't 100 prove that to

2055
01:27:32,870 --> 01:27:30,600
you so so I'm gonna keep pushing in the

2056
01:27:34,729 --> 01:27:32,880
ways that I know how now again I'm

2057
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:34,739
paraphrasing there but it was such a

2058
01:27:38,750 --> 01:27:36,420
genuine answer from him and one that

2059
01:27:40,850 --> 01:27:38,760
that I was a little surprised at because

2060
01:27:45,410 --> 01:27:40,860
when you talk to people in in positions

2061
01:27:48,350 --> 01:27:45,420
like him uh they they love to make every

2062
01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:48,360
answer a riddle and you have to figure

2063
01:27:54,770 --> 01:27:51,780
out what exactly did he mean and did he

2064
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:54,780
sniff a certain way did he sneeze as a

2065
01:27:59,870 --> 01:27:57,480
secret code and yes there are people out

2066
01:28:02,390 --> 01:27:59,880
there that read into others that are

2067
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:02,400
telling those stories and it drives me

2068
01:28:05,209 --> 01:28:04,440
nuts some people call them breadcrumbs

2069
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:05,219
right

2070
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:06,960
that's not what he that's not what

2071
01:28:11,930 --> 01:28:09,060
Travis Taylor did with me today and and

2072
01:28:16,129 --> 01:28:11,940
yet again I highly respect that because

2073
01:28:18,649 --> 01:28:16,139
he wasn't making these grandiose claims

2074
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:18,659
and shrouding it in Cloak and Dagger

2075
01:28:23,870 --> 01:28:21,600
stuff to hint at this or hint at that he

2076
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:23,880
was straightforward he gave me the

2077
01:28:29,390 --> 01:28:26,460
answers and when I pushed into what was

2078
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:29,400
a classified realm uh he would push back

2079
01:28:34,010 --> 01:28:31,199
and say I you know I can't I can't talk

2080
01:28:35,870 --> 01:28:34,020
about that or when I pushed him on uh

2081
01:28:38,209 --> 01:28:35,880
what his current company is doing in the

2082
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:38,219
private sector uh and I kind of prodded

2083
01:28:41,510 --> 01:28:39,840
him on that a little bit he he

2084
01:28:43,070 --> 01:28:41,520
essentially had to close it off there

2085
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:43,080
because he's not a spokesperson for the

2086
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,420
company so I respect that so where I'm

2087
01:28:49,910 --> 01:28:47,280
going with it going back to what you're

2088
01:28:52,490 --> 01:28:49,920
asking would he be out in the open well

2089
01:28:54,470 --> 01:28:52,500
if he was making these grandiose claims

2090
01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:54,480
then yes I would make that argument that

2091
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,540
he wouldn't be all over television but

2092
01:29:03,470 --> 01:28:59,760
the fact remains is that he's not making

2093
01:29:06,350 --> 01:29:03,480
those big claims and on top of that he's

2094
01:29:07,850 --> 01:29:06,360
incredibly intelligent uh not only just

2095
01:29:10,189 --> 01:29:07,860
buy the book he's got six different

2096
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,199
degrees two of which are doctorates a

2097
01:29:15,410 --> 01:29:12,719
few Masters uh he's incredibly by the

2098
01:29:18,229 --> 01:29:15,420
book intelligent but on top of that he

2099
01:29:20,149 --> 01:29:18,239
has a way to convey the message and I'll

2100
01:29:21,770 --> 01:29:20,159
give a quick Story one I told on my

2101
01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:21,780
interview but I wanted to say it here

2102
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:25,080
also sure Dr Travis and I cross paths

2103
01:29:29,390 --> 01:29:27,540
about six seven years ago and I was

2104
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:29,400
brought into to produce and write a

2105
01:29:33,290 --> 01:29:31,800
History Channel show that was all about

2106
01:29:36,410 --> 01:29:33,300
the end of the world

2107
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:36,420
in my particular episode was if aliens

2108
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:39,480
attacked Earth uh how would they do it

2109
01:29:44,209 --> 01:29:42,239
and why and then who would win so it was

2110
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,219
showing all these different disasters

2111
01:29:48,830 --> 01:29:45,840
and how the world can end and could

2112
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,840
Humanity survive and my Executives came

2113
01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:51,120
to me and I forget what show Dr Taylor

2114
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:52,920
was doing at the time

2115
01:29:57,950 --> 01:29:55,440
um I knew him by reputation I had never

2116
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:57,960
met him before but my Executives the big

2117
01:30:02,209 --> 01:29:59,580
bosses came to me and said okay John

2118
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:02,219
look you're gonna do the show we know

2119
01:30:05,930 --> 01:30:04,020
that you're totally into the topic you

2120
01:30:07,550 --> 01:30:05,940
know I had a bunch of experts lined up

2121
01:30:09,770 --> 01:30:07,560
but they said you have to talk to Dr

2122
01:30:11,450 --> 01:30:09,780
Travis Taylor and I was like oh okay

2123
01:30:13,129 --> 01:30:11,460
well I know that name and he literally

2124
01:30:16,310 --> 01:30:13,139
wrote a book about what I was talking

2125
01:30:18,830 --> 01:30:16,320
about and uh was just someone that they

2126
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:18,840
wanted on the show why because again he

2127
01:30:22,370 --> 01:30:20,400
had that presence that was able to

2128
01:30:24,770 --> 01:30:22,380
convey the message so I don't think that

2129
01:30:26,510 --> 01:30:24,780
it's it's a bad thing and not that you

2130
01:30:28,610 --> 01:30:26,520
were implying that but other people say

2131
01:30:30,649 --> 01:30:28,620
it he's everywhere he's on all these

2132
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:30,659
shows what is he doing this and that and

2133
01:30:36,430 --> 01:30:33,960
it's because he's a presence on camera

2134
01:30:38,689 --> 01:30:36,440
and he delivers and he can

2135
01:30:40,729 --> 01:30:38,699
essentially present to the camera well

2136
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:40,739
and and that as a producer that's what

2137
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:42,360
you look for because if you interview

2138
01:30:46,729 --> 01:30:44,639
somebody that's incredibly dry and

2139
01:30:49,010 --> 01:30:46,739
there's a monotone and when you ask him

2140
01:30:50,870 --> 01:30:49,020
a question they pay it off and you know

2141
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:50,880
that's horrible television you don't

2142
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:53,520
want to do that and so you find those

2143
01:30:57,649 --> 01:30:55,679
people that that can convey the message

2144
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:57,659
and you stick with them and Dr Taylor

2145
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,580
was one of them that's why you see him

2146
01:31:03,229 --> 01:31:01,440
on all these different shows because

2147
01:31:04,970 --> 01:31:03,239
he's Versed and can deliver

2148
01:31:08,330 --> 01:31:04,980
uh

2149
01:31:10,430 --> 01:31:08,340
I like Travis he's somebody that I I

2150
01:31:12,530 --> 01:31:10,440
would sit down and have beers and tacos

2151
01:31:15,290 --> 01:31:12,540
with right you could just tell it would

2152
01:31:17,030 --> 01:31:15,300
be just a fun night and and he's full of

2153
01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:17,040
knowledge

2154
01:31:22,910 --> 01:31:21,659
um and but everybody is just going at

2155
01:31:25,129 --> 01:31:22,920
him

2156
01:31:26,870 --> 01:31:25,139
um you saw you saw the social media did

2157
01:31:30,410 --> 01:31:26,880
today about the interview about this

2158
01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:30,420
comment about drones and and flight time

2159
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:33,780
um and and how inaccurate uh that was

2160
01:31:41,830 --> 01:31:37,920
and anybody that's a a DGI you know

2161
01:31:44,810 --> 01:31:41,840
whatever mavic mavic mini SE what

2162
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:44,820
anybody that's in the Drone world knows

2163
01:31:50,810 --> 01:31:47,400
about flight times and and batteries uh

2164
01:31:52,729 --> 01:31:50,820
today let alone military drones uh are

2165
01:31:54,850 --> 01:31:52,739
not out there flying uh for 15 minutes

2166
01:31:58,129 --> 01:31:54,860
or flying for hours at a time

2167
01:32:00,169 --> 01:31:58,139
so what did we what did we do with that

2168
01:32:03,649 --> 01:32:00,179
kind of inaccuracy or do you just think

2169
01:32:06,169 --> 01:32:03,659
it was just a just a simple mistake

2170
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,179
well it could be any of what you just

2171
01:32:11,149 --> 01:32:08,400
said it could have been a mistake

2172
01:32:14,930 --> 01:32:11,159
um I did not push back on the idea it

2173
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:14,940
wasn't my intent to debate with him uh

2174
01:32:18,350 --> 01:32:16,800
but but of course you know Twitter and

2175
01:32:21,050 --> 01:32:18,360
social media is really kind of attacking

2176
01:32:22,970 --> 01:32:21,060
him on that In fairness to Dr Taylor it

2177
01:32:26,090 --> 01:32:22,980
could have absolutely absolutely have

2178
01:32:27,830 --> 01:32:26,100
been either a misspeak or potentially

2179
01:32:30,229 --> 01:32:27,840
not

2180
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:30,239
specific enough again we weren't in a

2181
01:32:33,229 --> 01:32:31,679
debate so it's not like he was sitting

2182
01:32:34,729 --> 01:32:33,239
here going all right this model has this

2183
01:32:37,490 --> 01:32:34,739
many minutes this model is this many

2184
01:32:39,470 --> 01:32:37,500
minutes Ergo you can't have this be that

2185
01:32:40,910 --> 01:32:39,480
it wasn't like that I think it was a

2186
01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:40,920
much quicker comment So In fairness

2187
01:32:44,930 --> 01:32:42,300
statement could have been a mistake and

2188
01:32:47,810 --> 01:32:44,940
just a misspeak or on top of that I saw

2189
01:32:49,490 --> 01:32:47,820
a comment and uh I'm not going to argue

2190
01:32:50,390 --> 01:32:49,500
either way of what they meant but I

2191
01:32:53,330 --> 01:32:50,400
thought it was a very interesting

2192
01:32:55,550 --> 01:32:53,340
perspective that somebody on on Twitter

2193
01:32:57,530 --> 01:32:55,560
I think it was was kind of going to

2194
01:32:59,570 --> 01:32:57,540
going to his defense and was talking

2195
01:33:01,790 --> 01:32:59,580
about the difference between a vital or

2196
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:01,800
vertical takeoff on Landing drone versus

2197
01:33:06,649 --> 01:33:04,800
a fixed Wing drone and the difference in

2198
01:33:09,050 --> 01:33:06,659
battery and so on and so forth I'm like

2199
01:33:11,030 --> 01:33:09,060
oh okay that's an element of this

2200
01:33:13,370 --> 01:33:11,040
conversation that you just don't see

2201
01:33:16,070 --> 01:33:13,380
somebody says well a battery can last 45

2202
01:33:17,870 --> 01:33:16,080
minutes what's in my opinion it's just

2203
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:17,880
not that easy you have to drill down

2204
01:33:21,950 --> 01:33:20,040
because like that commenter said and it

2205
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:21,960
was something I had not thought of are

2206
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:23,760
you talking about a veto drone are you

2207
01:33:28,189 --> 01:33:25,739
talking about a fixed Wing drone there's

2208
01:33:30,830 --> 01:33:28,199
a lot of other variables that maybe Dr

2209
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:30,840
Taylor in his mind knew what he was

2210
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,880
referring to but then everybody else

2211
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:34,560
just takes that one little snippet of

2212
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,620
what he said and and attributes it to an

2213
01:33:41,930 --> 01:33:39,600
inaccurate statement and goes ha you

2214
01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:41,940
know he's not credible I think we should

2215
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:43,560
give him another shot to maybe explain

2216
01:33:47,209 --> 01:33:45,360
and it's up to him I don't speak for him

2217
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:47,219
I don't think it's a big deal I don't

2218
01:33:51,229 --> 01:33:48,480
think it's a big deal

2219
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:51,239
um and and I'm not insinuating at all

2220
01:33:54,890 --> 01:33:52,920
that you should have debated him on this

2221
01:33:58,610 --> 01:33:54,900
point no no I didn't take it that way my

2222
01:34:01,790 --> 01:33:58,620
approach to this is uh with somebody

2223
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:01,800
with a couple of doctorates and and

2224
01:34:06,350 --> 01:34:03,840
credentialed and knowledge and we're

2225
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:06,360
talking about physics here

2226
01:34:11,689 --> 01:34:08,100
um it should have a basic knowledge of

2227
01:34:14,510 --> 01:34:11,699
things and and should have control of of

2228
01:34:17,629 --> 01:34:14,520
of what they're thinking and you can't

2229
01:34:21,050 --> 01:34:17,639
be that factually off on something all

2230
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:21,060
right I don't own a drone I don't

2231
01:34:27,590 --> 01:34:23,040
um I do a lot of research into drones

2232
01:34:29,629 --> 01:34:27,600
I'm always looking on on uh the web

2233
01:34:31,550 --> 01:34:29,639
because I'm gonna purchase one right so

2234
01:34:32,930 --> 01:34:31,560
I'm looking at flight times John I'm

2235
01:34:34,430 --> 01:34:32,940
looking at batteries I'm looking at

2236
01:34:36,410 --> 01:34:34,440
what's going on I'm looking at videos

2237
01:34:39,410 --> 01:34:36,420
I'm trying to see I'm looking at the

2238
01:34:42,050 --> 01:34:39,420
reviews and and the comments and what

2239
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:42,060
real flight time is when these claims of

2240
01:34:45,770 --> 01:34:43,679
a manufacturer are saying you get 30

2241
01:34:49,310 --> 01:34:45,780
minutes when you're only getting 20.

2242
01:34:50,629 --> 01:34:49,320
right I I know these things I'm not a

2243
01:34:54,050 --> 01:34:50,639
PhD

2244
01:34:56,990 --> 01:34:54,060
and that's that's my point why it would

2245
01:34:58,610 --> 01:34:57,000
be that inaccurate or you know so maybe

2246
01:35:02,510 --> 01:34:58,620
it was just a mistake that's the only

2247
01:35:04,729 --> 01:35:02,520
thing yeah and again it could be uh I I

2248
01:35:06,530 --> 01:35:04,739
think in something like that because

2249
01:35:10,310 --> 01:35:06,540
I've heard myself in interviews before

2250
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,320
I'm not a PhD I'm not anything close to

2251
01:35:14,390 --> 01:35:12,000
that uh when it comes to educational

2252
01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:14,400
degrees and you misspeak all the time

2253
01:35:18,350 --> 01:35:16,800
not you but me you know when you do live

2254
01:35:21,290 --> 01:35:18,360
interviews and you talk to somebody for

2255
01:35:22,910 --> 01:35:21,300
an hour and look I'm not like a a sweet

2256
01:35:24,890 --> 01:35:22,920
interviewer where I just ask you what's

2257
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:24,900
your favorite color and and do you like

2258
01:35:31,070 --> 01:35:26,880
long walks on the beach I mean I'll dig

2259
01:35:32,149 --> 01:35:31,080
and he has to in his mind and and again

2260
01:35:38,050 --> 01:35:32,159
I'm

2261
01:35:40,970 --> 01:35:38,060
in any way but as somebody who's done

2262
01:35:43,610 --> 01:35:40,980
quite a few interviews uh throughout the

2263
01:35:46,669 --> 01:35:43,620
years and in television and radio you

2264
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:46,679
know he on his side he's got multiple

2265
01:35:52,430 --> 01:35:50,159
ndas security clearances and so on and

2266
01:35:54,770 --> 01:35:52,440
no stuff that if he slips he can get

2267
01:35:56,930 --> 01:35:54,780
into a lot of trouble and I've always

2268
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,940
respected even Luis Elizondo when he

2269
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:59,280
does interviews uh Dr Taylor anybody

2270
01:36:04,070 --> 01:36:01,080
with a security clearance you have to

2271
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:04,080
balance that when somebody like me is

2272
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:06,420
asking you questions and pushing for

2273
01:36:11,090 --> 01:36:08,340
every little tidbit of information so

2274
01:36:14,450 --> 01:36:11,100
did he misspeak on a battery flight

2275
01:36:16,669 --> 01:36:14,460
length time maybe you know I don't know

2276
01:36:18,110 --> 01:36:16,679
but it doesn't surprise me because you

2277
01:36:20,930 --> 01:36:18,120
know when you do these interviews on

2278
01:36:24,110 --> 01:36:20,940
both sides of the interview your mind is

2279
01:36:25,790 --> 01:36:24,120
going 30 different places at once and

2280
01:36:27,350 --> 01:36:25,800
you're you know on my side you're trying

2281
01:36:29,090 --> 01:36:27,360
to formulate the next question while

2282
01:36:30,890 --> 01:36:29,100
listening to that one seeing if it's

2283
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,900
worthy of a follow-up did you miss

2284
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:32,100
something that you want to go back to

2285
01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:33,900
what kind of hate mail are you going to

2286
01:36:38,090 --> 01:36:35,880
get and on his side he's doing the same

2287
01:36:40,129 --> 01:36:38,100
thing what's John going to ask next do I

2288
01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:40,139
want to cut off his question and maybe

2289
01:36:44,270 --> 01:36:42,179
give an answer so he doesn't have to ask

2290
01:36:46,430 --> 01:36:44,280
it let's make sure we don't go there

2291
01:36:49,129 --> 01:36:46,440
because I have a security clearance I'm

2292
01:36:52,070 --> 01:36:49,139
working at a multi-million or whatever

2293
01:36:53,930 --> 01:36:52,080
Corporation I can't make them look bad

2294
01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:53,940
so there's all this stuff going on

2295
01:37:02,270 --> 01:36:58,020
everybody's brain I I don't I think a a

2296
01:37:05,030 --> 01:37:02,280
fair resolution to this is we let him

2297
01:37:07,129 --> 01:37:05,040
explain yeah and why is it what you know

2298
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:07,139
what and let's let's get to the root of

2299
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:11,100
the matter here why is it that we find

2300
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:12,800
ourselves today

2301
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:16,320
having to react to

2302
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,440
social media that social media is so

2303
01:37:24,229 --> 01:37:22,020
quick to attack social media is so quick

2304
01:37:26,570 --> 01:37:24,239
I mean that that they just want to

2305
01:37:29,530 --> 01:37:26,580
cancel whoever you know the attack

2306
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:29,540
attack and prove and and the

2307
01:37:36,169 --> 01:37:33,300
why uh why are we there today John why

2308
01:37:38,930 --> 01:37:36,179
is that going on and is it because

2309
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:38,940
first off why why is this happening why

2310
01:37:44,149 --> 01:37:41,699
are you and I even talking about this

2311
01:37:47,209 --> 01:37:44,159
um number one number two is it because

2312
01:37:49,430 --> 01:37:47,219
we can't hear the voice behind

2313
01:37:51,290 --> 01:37:49,440
somebody's comments I gotta tell you

2314
01:37:54,169 --> 01:37:51,300
Mick West

2315
01:37:56,510 --> 01:37:54,179
I think he's a likable guy I've talked

2316
01:37:58,729 --> 01:37:56,520
to him on the phone I've interviewed him

2317
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:58,739
I think he's a likable guy he's like the

2318
01:38:03,050 --> 01:38:00,840
most hated dude on Twitter

2319
01:38:06,370 --> 01:38:03,060
right and and nothing but attack attack

2320
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:06,380
attack and and I don't think people hear

2321
01:38:11,510 --> 01:38:09,239
his he picked apart a video that I

2322
01:38:14,570 --> 01:38:11,520
posted which I didn't care about

2323
01:38:17,209 --> 01:38:14,580
um I just needed answers right and and

2324
01:38:19,729 --> 01:38:17,219
okay all right I'm not gonna fight with

2325
01:38:21,890 --> 01:38:19,739
the guy you know it's it's it's it's

2326
01:38:24,290 --> 01:38:21,900
it's out there and it but people just

2327
01:38:26,570 --> 01:38:24,300
want to attack why is it that we have to

2328
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:26,580
respond and and why should Travis be in

2329
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,400
a position to turn around and and deal

2330
01:38:33,290 --> 01:38:30,960
with

2331
01:38:36,229 --> 01:38:33,300
um a faux PA you know a mistake a

2332
01:38:40,129 --> 01:38:36,239
misstatement a misquote about battery

2333
01:38:42,770 --> 01:38:40,139
life in a drone how did we get here man

2334
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:42,780
sadly that's just social media it's been

2335
01:38:48,050 --> 01:38:45,600
the evolution that I've seen from what

2336
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,060
were called IRC chat rooms way back in

2337
01:38:52,250 --> 01:38:50,159
the day even prior to that were bbs's

2338
01:38:55,129 --> 01:38:52,260
that you would dial up into right and

2339
01:38:56,570 --> 01:38:55,139
post messages on boards when IRC came

2340
01:38:58,850 --> 01:38:56,580
around you were having these debates

2341
01:39:01,310 --> 01:38:58,860
with people even back then and that was

2342
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:01,320
decades ago fast forward Twitter's just

2343
01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:03,840
you know a newer way to have these

2344
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:05,340
debates and throw shots at people

2345
01:39:09,590 --> 01:39:07,440
because there's no human interaction

2346
01:39:11,570 --> 01:39:09,600
it's not like you and me talking it's

2347
01:39:14,270 --> 01:39:11,580
not like Dr Taylor and I talking via

2348
01:39:17,330 --> 01:39:14,280
these types of video chats just having a

2349
01:39:21,470 --> 01:39:17,340
good chat rather some people out there

2350
01:39:25,129 --> 01:39:21,480
find it easier to throw a 125 character

2351
01:39:27,890 --> 01:39:25,139
insult at somebody uh hiding behind a

2352
01:39:29,030 --> 01:39:27,900
keyboard and that's easy for them and so

2353
01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:29,040
they just throw it out there because

2354
01:39:33,830 --> 01:39:30,960
they feel like that's their contribution

2355
01:39:36,250 --> 01:39:33,840
and and it's very frustrating uh and

2356
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:36,260
even Dr Taylor brought it up today

2357
01:39:41,149 --> 01:39:39,060
saying that instead of this and again

2358
01:39:43,870 --> 01:39:41,159
I'm paraphrasing but essentially this

2359
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:43,880
vitriol that's out there this this this

2360
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:45,780
fighting and this like going

2361
01:39:51,709 --> 01:39:48,780
head-to-head that making this a team

2362
01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:51,719
effort tackling this together would be

2363
01:39:57,410 --> 01:39:54,540
so much more beneficial than sitting

2364
01:39:59,870 --> 01:39:57,420
here and going back and forth and and

2365
01:40:02,810 --> 01:39:59,880
doing these types of of wars and he's

2366
01:40:04,490 --> 01:40:02,820
absolutely right and when that interview

2367
01:40:05,930 --> 01:40:04,500
aired I mean I kid you know I'm

2368
01:40:07,850 --> 01:40:05,940
surprised that people were stealing

2369
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:07,860
Clips so fast so they must have been

2370
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:10,560
sitting there like either just ripping

2371
01:40:14,810 --> 01:40:13,199
as I was going or I don't know I mean

2372
01:40:16,850 --> 01:40:14,820
look I'm a computer geek and I know how

2373
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:16,860
to rip these things pretty quick but man

2374
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:18,000
there were people that were like

2375
01:40:22,430 --> 01:40:20,040
tweeting these video clips from my

2376
01:40:23,930 --> 01:40:22,440
interview already and then tonight I was

2377
01:40:25,729 --> 01:40:23,940
seeing somebody was live streaming with

2378
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:25,739
it already playing clips and in the

2379
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,659
background my God you know it's not even

2380
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:29,520
a couple hours old guys like give it

2381
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:31,800
some time where people can can digest it

2382
01:40:37,310 --> 01:40:34,260
but that is the world that we live in

2383
01:40:39,229 --> 01:40:37,320
it's quick it's fast people wanna they

2384
01:40:41,870 --> 01:40:39,239
wanna put their reactions out there some

2385
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:41,880
are supportive some are combative some

2386
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:44,400
are just vicious it doesn't matter but

2387
01:40:48,470 --> 01:40:46,560
that's that's who we are and why do we

2388
01:40:51,470 --> 01:40:48,480
have to respond I mean I find myself

2389
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,480
responding to insults and claims from

2390
01:40:55,729 --> 01:40:53,760
people that have like 30 followers and

2391
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:55,739
after I do it I go John what the hell

2392
01:41:00,470 --> 01:40:57,780
are you doing why are you doing matter

2393
01:41:03,169 --> 01:41:00,480
like what does it matter but it it makes

2394
01:41:04,669 --> 01:41:03,179
me angry that people can do that and

2395
01:41:06,770 --> 01:41:04,679
post it out there so they may only have

2396
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:06,780
30 followers but they put it on my

2397
01:41:11,870 --> 01:41:09,840
thread and make a you know stupid claim

2398
01:41:13,970 --> 01:41:11,880
or whatever about me I just feel the

2399
01:41:16,790 --> 01:41:13,980
need I have to respond you know because

2400
01:41:19,010 --> 01:41:16,800
it's wrong but that's what people some

2401
01:41:20,090 --> 01:41:19,020
people you know want to do and that they

2402
01:41:21,830 --> 01:41:20,100
feel that that's their their

2403
01:41:24,470 --> 01:41:21,840
contribution so

2404
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:24,480
does Dr Taylor have to address any of

2405
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:26,400
that that's up to him I only speak for

2406
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:29,520
myself I've tried to really back out of

2407
01:41:34,609 --> 01:41:31,920
responding to that hate and vitriol and

2408
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,619
trust me I get my fair share it is not a

2409
01:41:39,050 --> 01:41:36,239
popular take some of the takes that I

2410
01:41:41,390 --> 01:41:39,060
have where you question a lot of a lot

2411
01:41:44,330 --> 01:41:41,400
of things like that's what I do I mean I

2412
01:41:45,950 --> 01:41:44,340
I push and push and push for answers and

2413
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:45,960
every single piece of the puzzle I can

2414
01:41:49,490 --> 01:41:47,940
get and for some people that's rocking

2415
01:41:52,850 --> 01:41:49,500
the boat and they don't like that and

2416
01:41:54,890 --> 01:41:52,860
they will attack me for it and I've

2417
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:54,900
really tried to be better over the last

2418
01:42:01,250 --> 01:41:58,320
year or two to just block them get them

2419
01:42:02,810 --> 01:42:01,260
out of my feed and call it a day you

2420
01:42:04,430 --> 01:42:02,820
know and sometimes people will take

2421
01:42:06,229 --> 01:42:04,440
screenshots oh look what this guy's

2422
01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:06,239
saying about you it's like I really

2423
01:42:10,970 --> 01:42:08,820
don't care you know I mean at that point

2424
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,980
you just have to back out but that is

2425
01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:12,960
the reality of of the world that we live

2426
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,480
in and we have to realize that those

2427
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:17,520
that are creating forums like this

2428
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:20,159
creating content that's valuable having

2429
01:42:23,510 --> 01:42:21,600
these types of conversations not only

2430
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:23,520
between between you and me but you know

2431
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:25,080
others that are out there creating

2432
01:42:29,689 --> 01:42:27,060
content and making that information

2433
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:29,699
available that's what this is all about

2434
01:42:34,010 --> 01:42:31,860
and I have to remember that that's what

2435
01:42:36,770 --> 01:42:34,020
we're doing that's what what our vision

2436
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:36,780
should remain and if their vision is

2437
01:42:40,790 --> 01:42:38,159
they're going to go and like type an

2438
01:42:43,729 --> 01:42:40,800
insult and tweet at us

2439
01:42:45,590 --> 01:42:43,739
good job like way to contribute you know

2440
01:42:48,590 --> 01:42:45,600
like what else what else do you want to

2441
01:42:51,649 --> 01:42:48,600
do right right right right right and I

2442
01:42:53,990 --> 01:42:51,659
figured out a long time ago uh this is

2443
01:42:57,950 --> 01:42:54,000
years ago this wasn't in the last month

2444
01:43:01,729 --> 01:42:57,960
this is years ago that I was allowing

2445
01:43:03,310 --> 01:43:01,739
and I saw it I felt it I was allowing

2446
01:43:07,490 --> 01:43:03,320
social media

2447
01:43:08,510 --> 01:43:07,500
to dictate my mood yeah and wait a

2448
01:43:10,090 --> 01:43:08,520
minute here wait wait wait wait wait

2449
01:43:12,590 --> 01:43:10,100
wait wait wait wait wait wait wait

2450
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:12,600
I'm in a great mood

2451
01:43:17,450 --> 01:43:15,480
why you know and and and and getting

2452
01:43:21,169 --> 01:43:17,460
sucked into it

2453
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:21,179
why why do I need it

2454
01:43:28,129 --> 01:43:24,960
to change me and my mood no I don't no

2455
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,139
no I'll get off social media before I

2456
01:43:31,970 --> 01:43:30,239
let any of that happen and so what I

2457
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,980
decided

2458
01:43:36,890 --> 01:43:34,800
I'm not going to read it there are

2459
01:43:39,649 --> 01:43:36,900
people out there that uh do their thing

2460
01:43:42,169 --> 01:43:39,659
and I get that whatever but I don't see

2461
01:43:46,010 --> 01:43:42,179
it and and I don't I certainly don't

2462
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:46,020
care about it it's it's not going to uh

2463
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:49,440
uh change my Bliss or how I feel I don't

2464
01:43:53,570 --> 01:43:52,560
wanna I I don't want that to happen to

2465
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:53,580
me

2466
01:43:58,010 --> 01:43:56,580
um now be before uh before we close out

2467
01:44:01,010 --> 01:43:58,020
tonight

2468
01:44:02,570 --> 01:44:01,020
um talking about all of this

2469
01:44:03,709 --> 01:44:02,580
um let's let's talk about Wilson Davis

2470
01:44:07,070 --> 01:44:03,719
for a second

2471
01:44:11,390 --> 01:44:07,080
and the reason why I want to discuss

2472
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:11,400
this is you and I have talked I I keep

2473
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:13,260
saying privately to everybody like John

2474
01:44:18,109 --> 01:44:15,360
and I have some secret you know

2475
01:44:21,590 --> 01:44:18,119
relationship thing going on but we you

2476
01:44:23,750 --> 01:44:21,600
and I have logged in many hours on the

2477
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:23,760
phone talking about Wilson Davis

2478
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,840
um and now one of the things I've swung

2479
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:29,760
both ways on this document you know a

2480
01:44:34,129 --> 01:44:31,440
few times

2481
01:44:38,810 --> 01:44:34,139
um uh I was involved from the very

2482
01:44:41,750 --> 01:44:38,820
beginning the very very beginning and uh

2483
01:44:43,430 --> 01:44:41,760
I feel responsible uh to some degree

2484
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:43,440
about bringing this out into the public

2485
01:44:48,410 --> 01:44:45,780
because I did just that uh with Fade to

2486
01:44:49,970 --> 01:44:48,420
Black and Coast to Coast AM

2487
01:44:52,209 --> 01:44:49,980
um and so

2488
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:52,219
but the one thing that is different

2489
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:55,500
about Wilson Davis opposed to anything

2490
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,100
any other document that includes what's

2491
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:02,159
on The Black Vault

2492
01:45:09,410 --> 01:45:07,020
but I'm saying in a general sense when

2493
01:45:13,250 --> 01:45:09,420
it comes to the UFO topic the Wilson

2494
01:45:14,930 --> 01:45:13,260
Davis for the first time we've got

2495
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:14,940
real people

2496
01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:18,480
and Oak Shannon coming out and and

2497
01:45:26,629 --> 01:45:22,020
saying yes I did introduce Eric Davis to

2498
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:26,639
uh Admiral Wilson and and he's his voice

2499
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,600
his he literally stated these things now

2500
01:45:35,149 --> 01:45:32,639
at the same time and we've never had

2501
01:45:39,290 --> 01:45:35,159
that before that it never happened with

2502
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:39,300
any mj-12 document or her Majestic

2503
01:45:43,930 --> 01:45:42,480
talking or anything else and then his

2504
01:45:51,169 --> 01:45:43,940
notes surface

2505
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:51,179
can start to cross-reference all of this

2506
01:45:58,669 --> 01:45:54,480
versus Oak Shannon's own words and

2507
01:46:00,770 --> 01:45:58,679
suddenly we have a document that is

2508
01:46:03,770 --> 01:46:00,780
standing on its own

2509
01:46:07,010 --> 01:46:03,780
how do do you feel the same that this is

2510
01:46:09,890 --> 01:46:07,020
the first time that we've actually had a

2511
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:09,900
real credible part like Oak Shannon who

2512
01:46:16,850 --> 01:46:14,880
is his CV is is is out there yeah I I

2513
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:16,860
talked to Oak Shannon after he did the

2514
01:46:21,890 --> 01:46:19,500
interview with Project Unity I I would

2515
01:46:23,090 --> 01:46:21,900
have loved to have had him on my show

2516
01:46:26,450 --> 01:46:23,100
because there was quite a few questions

2517
01:46:28,430 --> 01:46:26,460
that I that I had for him sadly that was

2518
01:46:30,169 --> 01:46:28,440
turned down but it but uh to to his

2519
01:46:31,550 --> 01:46:30,179
credit he at least wrote me back but

2520
01:46:33,590 --> 01:46:31,560
essentially said you know whatever he

2521
01:46:35,689 --> 01:46:33,600
wanted to say was already out there does

2522
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,699
that make the documents Stand Alone look

2523
01:46:39,770 --> 01:46:37,040
the the the the

2524
01:46:41,090 --> 01:46:39,780
those that support the validity of these

2525
01:46:43,550 --> 01:46:41,100
documents are going to hate me for

2526
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:43,560
saying this but I'm gonna say no

2527
01:46:48,350 --> 01:46:46,260
it doesn't really change much I believe

2528
01:46:52,189 --> 01:46:48,360
even from day one that there were

2529
01:46:54,830 --> 01:46:52,199
elements of real truth to them but when

2530
01:46:56,930 --> 01:46:54,840
it came to the claims it was untrue

2531
01:46:59,450 --> 01:46:56,940
um I had used an analogy in one of the

2532
01:47:01,850 --> 01:46:59,460
videos that I did of it being a movie

2533
01:47:05,270 --> 01:47:01,860
script that it was the same concept of

2534
01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:05,280
taking real people real events and

2535
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:09,780
making a fictionalized scenario and uh I

2536
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:12,659
had pulled in a script uh to kind of

2537
01:47:16,370 --> 01:47:15,060
juxtapose like how they would set scenes

2538
01:47:18,410 --> 01:47:16,380
and so on and so forth you look at the

2539
01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:18,420
Wilson notes and that was kind of how it

2540
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:20,820
was done uh no I didn't bet my house

2541
01:47:25,250 --> 01:47:23,280
that the notes were a movie script my

2542
01:47:27,169 --> 01:47:25,260
whole which some people later claimed

2543
01:47:29,330 --> 01:47:27,179
that I did and said well you believe

2544
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:29,340
it's a movie script no what I was trying

2545
01:47:37,070 --> 01:47:32,719
to say was that that is a a alternate

2546
01:47:39,709 --> 01:47:37,080
but but very plausible uh scenario that

2547
01:47:42,050 --> 01:47:39,719
holds just as much credibility and

2548
01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:42,060
weight with evidence than it does

2549
01:47:46,850 --> 01:47:44,760
depicting real events that was my whole

2550
01:47:49,189 --> 01:47:46,860
point with that but now you have all

2551
01:47:52,550 --> 01:47:49,199
these other notes does that make the

2552
01:47:54,649 --> 01:47:52,560
documents stand on its own and if you

2553
01:47:57,410 --> 01:47:54,659
want to believe that it does you will

2554
01:48:01,910 --> 01:47:57,420
find the connections to make you say

2555
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:01,920
that but for me I lean towards this and

2556
01:48:07,850 --> 01:48:06,239
it is the reality that those notes

2557
01:48:09,530 --> 01:48:07,860
um were likely real no like somebody

2558
01:48:11,149 --> 01:48:09,540
wrote them right so I don't think

2559
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,159
somebody just just made them up and put

2560
01:48:16,129 --> 01:48:13,199
them on on the internet I believe they

2561
01:48:17,810 --> 01:48:16,139
likely did circulate I have no doubt nor

2562
01:48:19,850 --> 01:48:17,820
have I ever doubted that they came from

2563
01:48:22,189 --> 01:48:19,860
Edgar Mitchell's estate when that came

2564
01:48:23,810 --> 01:48:22,199
out so you have all those those elements

2565
01:48:25,790 --> 01:48:23,820
and and it was probably passed around

2566
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:25,800
that Circle but when you look at those

2567
01:48:30,890 --> 01:48:28,619
circles it's a very tight Circle and so

2568
01:48:33,950 --> 01:48:30,900
I think that if it's fabricated which I

2569
01:48:37,070 --> 01:48:33,960
lean towards it is uh meaning meaning uh

2570
01:48:38,689 --> 01:48:37,080
real notes but fabricated events that it

2571
01:48:41,330 --> 01:48:38,699
came from that Circle

2572
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:41,340
and whether that be Dr Eric Davis or not

2573
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,380
to me it's irrelevant

2574
01:48:47,870 --> 01:48:45,780
it doesn't make sense that any of that

2575
01:48:50,810 --> 01:48:47,880
would happen in the way that it was

2576
01:48:53,629 --> 01:48:50,820
depicted and again you have to approach

2577
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:53,639
it from a from a from a standpoint of of

2578
01:48:59,090 --> 01:48:56,040
the plausibility what an uh what a

2579
01:49:00,770 --> 01:48:59,100
former J2 Admiral Wilson you know be

2580
01:49:03,470 --> 01:49:00,780
introduced to somebody it doesn't matter

2581
01:49:06,109 --> 01:49:03,480
who vouched and he goes and Spills the

2582
01:49:07,790 --> 01:49:06,119
most heavily classified secrets and

2583
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,800
again it's this whole concept that

2584
01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:10,320
things can be inherently classified so

2585
01:49:15,410 --> 01:49:12,780
all of that information would be

2586
01:49:18,050 --> 01:49:15,420
classified people fight me on that but I

2587
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,060
have a letter now from DIA proving that

2588
01:49:22,910 --> 01:49:20,639
the mere existence of a document could

2589
01:49:26,330 --> 01:49:22,920
be classified if they admitted to it so

2590
01:49:28,430 --> 01:49:26,340
my whole point is it stands true that if

2591
01:49:30,830 --> 01:49:28,440
they were talking about this it would be

2592
01:49:34,129 --> 01:49:30,840
classified in nature so for Eric Davis

2593
01:49:35,629 --> 01:49:34,139
to arguably record it or put it down or

2594
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:35,639
keep it in his head and he wrote it down

2595
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:38,159
later I really don't care uh he puts it

2596
01:49:41,629 --> 01:49:40,020
all down and then starts circulating it

2597
01:49:44,689 --> 01:49:41,639
around

2598
01:49:46,310 --> 01:49:44,699
um I I just I don't buy that on on so

2599
01:49:47,930 --> 01:49:46,320
many levels and it's not just because I

2600
01:49:50,870 --> 01:49:47,940
don't want to believe it that has

2601
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:50,880
nothing to do with it the reality of a

2602
01:49:57,649 --> 01:49:54,960
J2 doing that is so a former J2 would be

2603
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,659
nil I just don't I just don't see that

2604
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:00,239
happening in addition except Oak Shannon

2605
01:50:05,689 --> 01:50:03,480
said the opposite that he did introduce

2606
01:50:08,990 --> 01:50:05,699
the two of them that he talked to both

2607
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:09,000
of them separately and and said that

2608
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:10,800
both of them should talk to each other

2609
01:50:16,430 --> 01:50:14,280
about these issues which is fine but

2610
01:50:18,890 --> 01:50:16,440
again that in itself doesn't doesn't

2611
01:50:20,570 --> 01:50:18,900
mean anything and and Wilson could have

2612
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:20,580
very well have been introduced to Davis

2613
01:50:24,530 --> 01:50:22,800
and Wilson just doesn't remember I mean

2614
01:50:26,990 --> 01:50:24,540
how many people do you think somebody

2615
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,000
like Thomas Wilson meets over the years

2616
01:50:31,970 --> 01:50:29,520
but you have to go backwards you have to

2617
01:50:35,810 --> 01:50:31,980
see that if this J2 goes out right and

2618
01:50:40,189 --> 01:50:35,820
it's all stemming from a a in my opinion

2619
01:50:42,109 --> 01:50:40,199
provably fake nro document as told by Dr

2620
01:50:44,209 --> 01:50:42,119
Stephen Greer now the Believers in this

2621
01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:44,219
document wanted this dismiss that now

2622
01:50:48,410 --> 01:50:46,800
are you talking about Aquarius no the

2623
01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:48,420
end well I think there was an aquarius

2624
01:50:52,970 --> 01:50:50,040
code word or whatever but no no this is

2625
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,980
the nro the nro document with like an

2626
01:50:58,250 --> 01:50:55,199
Air Force letterhead oh that's yeah that

2627
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:58,260
that was a fabricated document right I

2628
01:51:02,930 --> 01:51:00,000
mean I think that everybody agrees with

2629
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:02,940
me after I put that video out and the

2630
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:04,800
reality though is you still have the

2631
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:06,480
biggest Believers and supporters of this

2632
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:09,199
notes still touting that in their story

2633
01:51:14,930 --> 01:51:12,360
and so you so you have this problem this

2634
01:51:16,609 --> 01:51:14,940
whole if that document was given to

2635
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,619
Wilson that set him off on his journey

2636
01:51:21,169 --> 01:51:18,960
to find these saps that led him to the

2637
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:21,179
reality of aliens crash retrievals

2638
01:51:25,669 --> 01:51:24,000
whatever he was led to

2639
01:51:27,709 --> 01:51:25,679
um if you take that document out what's

2640
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:27,719
that connector where did Wilson go what

2641
01:51:32,629 --> 01:51:29,820
did he learn right so so where is that

2642
01:51:35,390 --> 01:51:32,639
there's a gaping hole now in the story

2643
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:35,400
that no one has been able to fill except

2644
01:51:42,050 --> 01:51:38,400
except and and I'm not here to debate I

2645
01:51:45,950 --> 01:51:42,060
you know I'm looking at this uh as

2646
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,960
objectively as I can that 1997 meeting

2647
01:51:50,270 --> 01:51:47,520
at the Pentagon

2648
01:51:51,649 --> 01:51:50,280
I think that happened I think Wilson was

2649
01:51:53,450 --> 01:51:51,659
there

2650
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:53,460
um I think I think he's admitted that

2651
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:55,679
much though what's that he's admitted

2652
01:52:04,850 --> 01:52:00,080
that much right and so I think that

2653
01:52:06,590 --> 01:52:04,860
documents aside and Wilson was uh

2654
01:52:08,209 --> 01:52:06,600
interested in this and his journey

2655
01:52:10,370 --> 01:52:08,219
started then

2656
01:52:12,350 --> 01:52:10,380
um I don't know I don't know I

2657
01:52:14,090 --> 01:52:12,360
um those documents the one that you're

2658
01:52:16,550 --> 01:52:14,100
talking about the nro document you put

2659
01:52:19,850 --> 01:52:16,560
those next to any other official nro

2660
01:52:21,530 --> 01:52:19,860
document you can see it's bogus right

2661
01:52:22,910 --> 01:52:21,540
and that's that's what I did as I broke

2662
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:22,920
down the whole thing I'm proving it was

2663
01:52:28,189 --> 01:52:25,679
bogus so then the the rebuttal to me was

2664
01:52:30,830 --> 01:52:28,199
well who cares that document is not

2665
01:52:32,629 --> 01:52:30,840
mentioned in the Wilson Davis notes but

2666
01:52:35,390 --> 01:52:32,639
for me that was irrelevant because it's

2667
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,400
been part of the story uh one particular

2668
01:52:40,070 --> 01:52:37,679
person wrote this gigantic blog he's

2669
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:40,080
he's kind of more well known as as being

2670
01:52:43,729 --> 01:52:41,760
the the

2671
01:52:45,649 --> 01:52:43,739
um kind of the Forefront of of bringing

2672
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:45,659
this information out and again it's this

2673
01:52:50,209 --> 01:52:48,000
very long blog but then you you also

2674
01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:50,219
have Dr Steven Greer who also still

2675
01:52:55,850 --> 01:52:52,320
touts that document as being what was

2676
01:52:58,370 --> 01:52:55,860
given to Thomas Wilson so again once you

2677
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,380
take that out you now have to to say

2678
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,719
that Thomas Wilson at the time being a

2679
01:53:04,970 --> 01:53:02,639
J2 after that meeting he met with Edgar

2680
01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:04,980
Mitchell and so on so he admitted that

2681
01:53:10,189 --> 01:53:08,219
much but then he goes out and although

2682
01:53:12,290 --> 01:53:10,199
in one breath can say I was denied

2683
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,300
access and they wouldn't you know let me

2684
01:53:17,689 --> 01:53:14,400
into the contractor facility or whatever

2685
01:53:19,609 --> 01:53:17,699
you know that story is but but but he

2686
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:19,619
found out that details of the program

2687
01:53:24,950 --> 01:53:22,560
and could convey the crash retrieval and

2688
01:53:27,050 --> 01:53:24,960
and the existence of these groups and

2689
01:53:28,970 --> 01:53:27,060
this that and the other thing yet again

2690
01:53:31,310 --> 01:53:28,980
does not make sense because if you're

2691
01:53:33,950 --> 01:53:31,320
going to be blocked out from having

2692
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:33,960
access to something that literally means

2693
01:53:39,169 --> 01:53:36,360
you are blocked out you are not going to

2694
01:53:42,109 --> 01:53:39,179
get any kind of inkling on what is going

2695
01:53:45,350 --> 01:53:42,119
on in any classified Arena but that's

2696
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:45,360
see um you and I read are reading it

2697
01:53:51,890 --> 01:53:49,199
differently when I get it out of that is

2698
01:53:55,250 --> 01:53:51,900
that Wilson said I got nowhere

2699
01:53:57,470 --> 01:53:55,260
I got nowhere it I I went out to

2700
01:53:59,209 --> 01:53:57,480
Lockheed I'm assuming it was Lockheed I

2701
01:54:02,450 --> 01:53:59,219
went out to Lockheed they shut me down

2702
01:54:04,430 --> 01:54:02,460
the aliens whatever but they said you

2703
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,440
can complain all you want fly back to

2704
01:54:07,430 --> 01:54:06,360
Washington DC and start yelling you're

2705
01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:07,440
not going to get anywhere and that's

2706
01:54:11,689 --> 01:54:09,780
what Wilson said he said he he got

2707
01:54:15,169 --> 01:54:11,699
nowhere with these Special access

2708
01:54:17,270 --> 01:54:15,179
programs and and the alien agenda so

2709
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:17,280
that's what I got out of the document he

2710
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:19,380
never said that he had proof of anything

2711
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:23,340
I mean in my opinion well I'm I I don't

2712
01:54:27,050 --> 01:54:25,199
think I was saying that he had proof of

2713
01:54:29,689 --> 01:54:27,060
it but rather what the scope of the

2714
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:29,699
programs were and that he was so angry I

2715
01:54:33,590 --> 01:54:32,159
mean he never found anything out though

2716
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:33,600
see that's what he was saying well the

2717
01:54:36,890 --> 01:54:35,280
whole point of the the Wilson notes were

2718
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,900
supporting this whole crash retrieval

2719
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:38,880
this that and the other thing right the

2720
01:54:43,070 --> 01:54:41,280
one the one meeting out at Lockheed but

2721
01:54:45,590 --> 01:54:43,080
he never saw anything

2722
01:54:47,510 --> 01:54:45,600
but what meeting are you referring to if

2723
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:47,520
you could just refresh my you said he

2724
01:54:51,950 --> 01:54:50,400
flew out to California and uh and met

2725
01:54:53,930 --> 01:54:51,960
with the three dudes uh the project

2726
01:54:55,850 --> 01:54:53,940
manager the head of security and the

2727
01:54:58,070 --> 01:54:55,860
attorney and learned about crash

2728
01:54:59,990 --> 01:54:58,080
retrievals right they they said that

2729
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,000
they had a craft that they thought could

2730
01:55:04,010 --> 01:55:02,400
fly but they could but that's what I'm

2731
01:55:06,530 --> 01:55:04,020
referring to is that if you're going to

2732
01:55:09,590 --> 01:55:06,540
be blocked access they're not going to

2733
01:55:11,330 --> 01:55:09,600
tell you that they have XYZ in that

2734
01:55:13,970 --> 01:55:11,340
classified program but then tell you you

2735
01:55:16,550 --> 01:55:13,980
can't come in being the J2 that's what

2736
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:16,560
I'm referring to and and and again uh

2737
01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:18,360
see this is this is what's so

2738
01:55:23,689 --> 01:55:21,300
interesting to me when I first read that

2739
01:55:26,270 --> 01:55:23,699
that page right I think it's page 13.

2740
01:55:28,370 --> 01:55:26,280
when I read that page I want this is too

2741
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:28,380
Sensational right this is this is like

2742
01:55:36,109 --> 01:55:33,480
too perfect right it's too perfect here

2743
01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:36,119
um what changed uh my whole thing with

2744
01:55:42,830 --> 01:55:40,260
that was how it's worded there he said

2745
01:55:45,470 --> 01:55:42,840
that they told him we had somebody come

2746
01:55:48,109 --> 01:55:45,480
out from the Pentagon was trying to

2747
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:48,119
audit what we were doing out here we

2748
01:55:51,890 --> 01:55:49,440
showed him some stuff and he screwed

2749
01:55:53,750 --> 01:55:51,900
everything up so we're not gonna no but

2750
01:55:56,090 --> 01:55:53,760
we're gonna tell you yeah it's aliens

2751
01:55:57,709 --> 01:55:56,100
but you can't do anything about it you

2752
01:55:59,330 --> 01:55:57,719
can go and complain you can go do this

2753
01:56:03,770 --> 01:55:59,340
you're not going to find anything out

2754
01:56:05,709 --> 01:56:03,780
and and that's it and uh have a nice day

2755
01:56:08,330 --> 01:56:05,719
okay so so so

2756
01:56:09,649 --> 01:56:08,340
the finer details aside right so we have

2757
01:56:12,050 --> 01:56:09,659
different interpretations regardless

2758
01:56:15,229 --> 01:56:12,060
let's go with what you just said that's

2759
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:15,239
plausible to you that a J2 would fly out

2760
01:56:20,270 --> 01:56:17,520
and and be confronted by a contractor

2761
01:56:24,649 --> 01:56:20,280
and they strong arm them into into like

2762
01:56:26,750 --> 01:56:24,659
Turning Away uh I would no I mean yeah

2763
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:26,760
that's not plausible I'm saying the

2764
01:56:31,370 --> 01:56:29,280
opposite of that exactly I'm not saying

2765
01:56:34,609 --> 01:56:31,380
I agree with it what I'm saying is with

2766
01:56:37,370 --> 01:56:34,619
Oak Shannon coming out and Jack houck's

2767
01:56:39,470 --> 01:56:37,380
note and Oak Shannon's notes and you

2768
01:56:41,470 --> 01:56:39,480
look at all of this and then you have to

2769
01:56:44,450 --> 01:56:41,480
step back and go

2770
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:44,460
this might have really happened that's

2771
01:56:48,770 --> 01:56:46,560
my point that this is I think the only

2772
01:56:50,930 --> 01:56:48,780
thing that it's a I I mean I see where

2773
01:56:53,209 --> 01:56:50,940
you're going with that I just I just see

2774
01:56:54,890 --> 01:56:53,219
it as a different take that whomever

2775
01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:54,900
wrote those notes and I've said this

2776
01:57:00,590 --> 01:56:57,480
part from day one as well had knowledge

2777
01:57:03,290 --> 01:57:00,600
enough to have those names in there and

2778
01:57:05,330 --> 01:57:03,300
craft a narrative of some kind

2779
01:57:07,550 --> 01:57:05,340
and and so you're not going to just be

2780
01:57:10,370 --> 01:57:07,560
Joe Blow you know in the in the general

2781
01:57:12,770 --> 01:57:10,380
populace and create a document like that

2782
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:12,780
and and kind of nail some of the the

2783
01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:14,340
points that are accurate meaning the

2784
01:57:18,830 --> 01:57:16,260
name the real names and so on and so

2785
01:57:21,770 --> 01:57:18,840
forth so I think that whomever crafted

2786
01:57:24,770 --> 01:57:21,780
it in my opinion uh this this work of

2787
01:57:27,169 --> 01:57:24,780
fiction it's gonna be from that group

2788
01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:27,179
that that was passing around and having

2789
01:57:32,209 --> 01:57:30,360
these meetings and and talking uh with

2790
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:32,219
each other about these these topics it

2791
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,560
was a tight Niche group and what does

2792
01:57:40,070 --> 01:57:36,480
that mean you have legs though why why

2793
01:57:43,010 --> 01:57:40,080
let it have legs why not uh Eric Davis

2794
01:57:45,649 --> 01:57:43,020
coming out and going dude I didn't write

2795
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,659
it it's BS

2796
01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:48,000
um it's it this is this is somebody

2797
01:57:52,850 --> 01:57:50,760
else's work it's not mine instead of

2798
01:57:54,109 --> 01:57:52,860
letting it here it's a great question I

2799
01:57:56,510 --> 01:57:54,119
I mean there's there's two ways to

2800
01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:56,520
approach it on my end number one is he

2801
01:58:00,709 --> 01:57:57,960
likes the attention

2802
01:58:03,169 --> 01:58:00,719
sorry that's also going to come off as

2803
01:58:05,570 --> 01:58:03,179
rude to some people but I've seen enough

2804
01:58:07,729 --> 01:58:05,580
to think that yes that is probably part

2805
01:58:08,870 --> 01:58:07,739
of it he likes the Mystique and and I

2806
01:58:10,729 --> 01:58:08,880
don't want to just single him out

2807
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:10,739
there's a couple in that group that I

2808
01:58:15,229 --> 01:58:12,719
feel the same way about that they like

2809
01:58:17,689 --> 01:58:15,239
the Mystique they like the idea and

2810
01:58:20,450 --> 01:58:17,699
concept that they may have secret

2811
01:58:22,910 --> 01:58:20,460
knowledge to unlock the cosmos but they

2812
01:58:24,709 --> 01:58:22,920
can't tell you about it sorry I just

2813
01:58:27,169 --> 01:58:24,719
think that that goes along with part of

2814
01:58:28,729 --> 01:58:27,179
of what we were talking about I agree

2815
01:58:30,589 --> 01:58:28,739
with you and I've agreed with you on

2816
01:58:33,709 --> 01:58:30,599
that point for a couple of years yeah

2817
01:58:37,209 --> 01:58:33,719
but the other part of it for me and I'll

2818
01:58:41,270 --> 01:58:37,219
make it quick is the

2819
01:58:43,609 --> 01:58:41,280
idea that information in here could be

2820
01:58:45,890 --> 01:58:43,619
classified and the minute that someone

2821
01:58:48,830 --> 01:58:45,900
talks about potentially classified

2822
01:58:50,510 --> 01:58:48,840
information you in essence are acting as

2823
01:58:53,149 --> 01:58:50,520
a spokesperson on behalf of the United

2824
01:58:55,609 --> 01:58:53,159
States government either confirming or

2825
01:58:57,890 --> 01:58:55,619
denying and as a clearance holder you

2826
01:58:59,930 --> 01:58:57,900
can't necessarily go there why because

2827
01:59:02,390 --> 01:58:59,940
maybe there's one element to something

2828
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:02,400
in there that may be true in a

2829
01:59:06,229 --> 01:59:03,900
classified Arena doesn't make the whole

2830
01:59:08,510 --> 01:59:06,239
notes true but maybe something Eric

2831
01:59:10,310 --> 01:59:08,520
Davis comes out and says Ah look it's

2832
01:59:13,129 --> 01:59:10,320
all bunk I didn't write it and so on and

2833
01:59:15,350 --> 01:59:13,139
so forth you are now speaking on the

2834
01:59:19,010 --> 01:59:15,360
validity of something in that document

2835
01:59:21,290 --> 01:59:19,020
now when I interviewed Luis Elizondo a

2836
01:59:22,910 --> 01:59:21,300
year or two ago whenever it was this

2837
01:59:24,589 --> 01:59:22,920
came up and I asked him this very

2838
01:59:27,709 --> 01:59:24,599
question but didn't gear it towards the

2839
01:59:29,209 --> 01:59:27,719
Wilson Davis documents and I and I went

2840
01:59:30,770 --> 01:59:29,219
to him with this question and I'm

2841
01:59:32,450 --> 01:59:30,780
paraphrasing here but I did a video on

2842
01:59:34,370 --> 01:59:32,460
it I can post this as well for you guys

2843
01:59:36,410 --> 01:59:34,380
but I essentially said

2844
01:59:39,770 --> 01:59:36,420
um listen Mr Elizondo if I came to you

2845
01:59:42,229 --> 01:59:39,780
and I said this is allegedly a document

2846
01:59:43,970 --> 01:59:42,239
that contains classified information I

2847
01:59:46,370 --> 01:59:43,980
want you to look at it and I want you to

2848
01:59:47,689 --> 01:59:46,380
tell me is it real or is it not and I

2849
01:59:50,149 --> 01:59:47,699
could have typed it I could have made

2850
01:59:51,950 --> 01:59:50,159
the whole thing up but with his security

2851
01:59:54,530 --> 01:59:51,960
clearance he essentially told me he

2852
01:59:56,990 --> 01:59:54,540
could not comment on it because that is

2853
01:59:58,370 --> 01:59:57,000
something that he cannot do that's where

2854
01:59:59,689 --> 01:59:58,380
I kind of lean towards there's a

2855
02:00:02,270 --> 01:59:59,699
possibility here that those with

2856
02:00:04,430 --> 02:00:02,280
clearances even though it may be bunk it

2857
02:00:06,890 --> 02:00:04,440
may be partially real could be real I

2858
02:00:09,830 --> 02:00:06,900
don't know whatever but they can't they

2859
02:00:12,229 --> 02:00:09,840
just can't comment on it whatsoever but

2860
02:00:15,050 --> 02:00:12,239
the internet takes hold of it no comment

2861
02:00:18,350 --> 02:00:15,060
and translate that translates that into

2862
02:00:21,950 --> 02:00:18,360
a confirmation and we can't do that and

2863
02:00:23,629 --> 02:00:21,960
and I think that that's a line that has

2864
02:00:26,089 --> 02:00:23,639
very much been blurred over the years

2865
02:00:28,729 --> 02:00:26,099
that if somebody says well I I can't

2866
02:00:31,490 --> 02:00:28,739
confirm nor deny that that's immediately

2867
02:00:34,430 --> 02:00:31,500
a confirmation and we can't do that and

2868
02:00:36,890 --> 02:00:34,440
in Luis elizondo's own words the way he

2869
02:00:38,270 --> 02:00:36,900
said it is that you can't comment on

2870
02:00:40,250 --> 02:00:38,280
something that may or may not be

2871
02:00:42,350 --> 02:00:40,260
classified because you have to go

2872
02:00:43,910 --> 02:00:42,360
through official channels and get a

2873
02:00:46,129 --> 02:00:43,920
spokesperson or somebody who speaks on

2874
02:00:47,990 --> 02:00:46,139
behalf of the U.S government you you

2875
02:00:49,850 --> 02:00:48,000
have a clearance holder and you start

2876
02:00:52,430 --> 02:00:49,860
asking them questions about what could

2877
02:00:54,410 --> 02:00:52,440
or could not be classified you're in

2878
02:00:57,290 --> 02:00:54,420
some pretty dangerous territory so the

2879
02:00:59,629 --> 02:00:57,300
safest route I got no comment but what

2880
02:01:02,689 --> 02:00:59,639
goes along with that is the Mystique

2881
02:01:05,990 --> 02:01:02,699
that aura of mystery around you that you

2882
02:01:09,290 --> 02:01:06,000
have some kind of key to the cosmos that

2883
02:01:10,970 --> 02:01:09,300
uh that that only you can unlock and

2884
02:01:14,270 --> 02:01:10,980
that's what's frustrating about these

2885
02:01:15,950 --> 02:01:14,280
things but for me the bottom line is the

2886
02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:15,960
way the story is unfolded my you know

2887
02:01:19,490 --> 02:01:17,760
the details interpretations between you

2888
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:19,500
and I all of that aside it doesn't

2889
02:01:25,070 --> 02:01:21,840
matter when you read through it that

2890
02:01:27,109 --> 02:01:25,080
plausibility of it playing out is

2891
02:01:29,510 --> 02:01:27,119
incredibly unlikely did Oak Shannon

2892
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:29,520
introduce them yeah quite possibly I

2893
02:01:33,890 --> 02:01:31,679
wouldn't even argue that who it doesn't

2894
02:01:35,810 --> 02:01:33,900
really matter but does that mean a

2895
02:01:38,870 --> 02:01:35,820
former J2 is going to turn around and go

2896
02:01:41,270 --> 02:01:38,880
all right so this guy vouches for that

2897
02:01:43,129 --> 02:01:41,280
guy so I'm gonna vent not only my

2898
02:01:45,410 --> 02:01:43,139
frustrations with the US government but

2899
02:01:48,649 --> 02:01:45,420
I'm going to touch on that classified

2900
02:01:50,510 --> 02:01:48,659
um a program that I don't have access to

2901
02:01:52,490 --> 02:01:50,520
but the confirmation that there's a

2902
02:01:54,890 --> 02:01:52,500
craft of some kind or again whatever the

2903
02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:54,900
the details are in there it does not

2904
02:02:00,229 --> 02:01:57,780
make sense it doesn't hold water it

2905
02:02:02,570 --> 02:02:00,239
doesn't hold it doesn't unless somebody

2906
02:02:04,790 --> 02:02:02,580
like Oak Shannon steps forward and you

2907
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:04,800
got a couple of piles of notes from Jack

2908
02:02:13,310 --> 02:02:07,440
Houck and Oak Shannon from a meeting in

2909
02:02:16,129 --> 02:02:13,320
1985 and it's that's I'm just saying uh

2910
02:02:17,689 --> 02:02:16,139
I'm staying objective on this I'm I

2911
02:02:19,490 --> 02:02:17,699
think for the first time we've got a

2912
02:02:23,149 --> 02:02:19,500
document like this we're calling it a

2913
02:02:25,010 --> 02:02:23,159
document that suddenly has got

2914
02:02:26,930 --> 02:02:25,020
characters around it to support it

2915
02:02:29,149 --> 02:02:26,940
that's all let me ask you if a quick

2916
02:02:30,530 --> 02:02:29,159
question if I may so about the oak

2917
02:02:32,450 --> 02:02:30,540
Shannon thing because I this is one of

2918
02:02:34,129 --> 02:02:32,460
the questions I wanted to ask him but

2919
02:02:36,229 --> 02:02:34,139
but you've brought that up as an element

2920
02:02:38,030 --> 02:02:36,239
to kind of keep this this going and

2921
02:02:39,410 --> 02:02:38,040
that's totally fine

2922
02:02:41,750 --> 02:02:39,420
um

2923
02:02:44,270 --> 02:02:41,760
what is the connection of why would

2924
02:02:47,689 --> 02:02:44,280
Wilson go to Oak Shannon that's not an

2925
02:02:49,850 --> 02:02:47,699
insult towards him but all the resources

2926
02:02:52,669 --> 02:02:49,860
of somebody in Thomas Wilson's position

2927
02:02:55,550 --> 02:02:52,679
all of the resources he goes to Oak

2928
02:02:57,950 --> 02:02:55,560
Shannon to ask about Eric Davis why well

2929
02:03:00,589 --> 02:02:57,960
okay did you did you listen to his

2930
02:03:03,169 --> 02:03:00,599
interview I did okay so I don't want to

2931
02:03:06,709 --> 02:03:03,179
put words in his mouth or get into his

2932
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:06,719
mind and I've never spoken to uh Thomas

2933
02:03:14,089 --> 02:03:10,080
Wilson so in in Eric Davis too as well

2934
02:03:16,850 --> 02:03:14,099
so I I can't I can't get into it into

2935
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:16,860
the mindset of of them that would just

2936
02:03:24,530 --> 02:03:19,920
be merely an opinion but what I am

2937
02:03:26,810 --> 02:03:24,540
saying here is that when we look at the

2938
02:03:32,570 --> 02:03:26,820
this is

2939
02:03:37,370 --> 02:03:32,580
purely from a Vibe when you read the uh

2940
02:03:40,370 --> 02:03:37,380
Wilson Davis memo it screams BS

2941
02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:40,380
it screams science fiction BS

2942
02:03:46,310 --> 02:03:43,920
well written BS but there's you know

2943
02:03:47,470 --> 02:03:46,320
it's there and it just it's too good to

2944
02:03:52,910 --> 02:03:47,480
be true

2945
02:03:56,089 --> 02:03:52,920
how could uh a J2 sit in the back of a

2946
02:04:00,410 --> 02:03:56,099
car with a guy like Eric Davis and back

2947
02:04:04,370 --> 02:04:00,420
of the EG and G building at uh Alien

2948
02:04:06,589 --> 02:04:04,380
Central right Area 51 janitor it's like

2949
02:04:08,629 --> 02:04:06,599
it's it's too perfect it's it's it's too

2950
02:04:12,709 --> 02:04:08,639
unbelievable kind of like a TV show

2951
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:12,719
right and then you have John then you

2952
02:04:16,310 --> 02:04:14,880
have a guy like Oak Shannon come out and

2953
02:04:19,070 --> 02:04:16,320
go yeah

2954
02:04:20,689 --> 02:04:19,080
I introduced those two guys absolutely I

2955
02:04:22,850 --> 02:04:20,699
talked to one about the other I tucked

2956
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:22,860
you to the other about the other guy and

2957
02:04:25,850 --> 02:04:24,960
then and suddenly you go wait a minute

2958
02:04:28,629 --> 02:04:25,860
here

2959
02:04:32,270 --> 02:04:28,639
as crazy as it sounds

2960
02:04:34,970 --> 02:04:32,280
they did talk about each other they did

2961
02:04:37,790 --> 02:04:34,980
know of each other and Oak Shannon who

2962
02:04:40,490 --> 02:04:37,800
was on page one of this memo page one

2963
02:04:43,970 --> 02:04:40,500
his name is right there he said it all

2964
02:04:45,890 --> 02:04:43,980
went down the way it did so I that's all

2965
02:04:47,930 --> 02:04:45,900
that I'm saying it's where you've got to

2966
02:04:51,589 --> 02:04:47,940
back up and go I need to have an open

2967
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:51,599
mind here I can't shut this down it's

2968
02:04:56,689 --> 02:04:54,239
the it and and I know you're out of time

2969
02:04:59,030 --> 02:04:56,699
or beyond your time but for me it's that

2970
02:05:00,830 --> 02:04:59,040
question that remains unanswered the

2971
02:05:03,589 --> 02:05:00,840
plausibility of

2972
02:05:05,930 --> 02:05:03,599
Oak of Oak Shannon being asked by Thomas

2973
02:05:07,790 --> 02:05:05,940
Wilson I I want to know why like if if

2974
02:05:09,229 --> 02:05:07,800
there's some kind that that did not come

2975
02:05:11,390 --> 02:05:09,239
out to me in the interview maybe I

2976
02:05:12,950 --> 02:05:11,400
missed something I'm I'm open to it if

2977
02:05:14,030 --> 02:05:12,960
somebody knows the answer to that let me

2978
02:05:15,830 --> 02:05:14,040
know

2979
02:05:18,109 --> 02:05:15,840
and and I I don't want it to come off

2980
02:05:20,990 --> 02:05:18,119
that I'm calling the guy a liar I I look

2981
02:05:23,450 --> 02:05:21,000
he seems incredibly genuine and seemed

2982
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:23,460
uh incredibly

2983
02:05:27,709 --> 02:05:25,260
um honest in his interview it's not like

2984
02:05:30,410 --> 02:05:27,719
red flags Mama you're a liar

2985
02:05:32,209 --> 02:05:30,420
um but the the introduction and that

2986
02:05:34,609 --> 02:05:32,219
part of the story for me just doesn't

2987
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:34,619
doesn't make all the dominoes fall into

2988
02:05:40,430 --> 02:05:38,159
place but rather

2989
02:05:44,030 --> 02:05:40,440
he's making a claim about the

2990
02:05:47,270 --> 02:05:44,040
introduction what I want to know is why

2991
02:05:49,370 --> 02:05:47,280
him and and that's I'm sorry Thomas

2992
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:49,380
Wilson would have an enormous amount of

2993
02:05:54,830 --> 02:05:52,020
resources to vet anybody without anybody

2994
02:05:57,290 --> 02:05:54,840
knowing yet he went to Oak Shannon to

2995
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:57,300
vet Eric Davis to then share all these

2996
02:06:02,149 --> 02:05:58,800
secrets John John John John John John

2997
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:02,159
you're 100 correct I totally agree with

2998
02:06:08,330 --> 02:06:04,880
you except it happened

2999
02:06:11,750 --> 02:06:08,340
except what happened that that Oak

3000
02:06:14,209 --> 02:06:11,760
Shannon said I introduced Eric Davis and

3001
02:06:16,310 --> 02:06:14,219
and and Thomas Wilson that's all that

3002
02:06:17,709 --> 02:06:16,320
I'm saying but it happened because he

3003
02:06:20,390 --> 02:06:17,719
said it happened

3004
02:06:25,070 --> 02:06:20,400
does any of that matter

3005
02:06:27,229 --> 02:06:25,080
doesn't need to say this

3006
02:06:29,629 --> 02:06:27,239
you know Eric Davis isn't commenting on

3007
02:06:31,550 --> 02:06:29,639
it Wilson Davis has already said if if

3008
02:06:35,390 --> 02:06:31,560
this comes out I'm gonna deny everything

3009
02:06:39,290 --> 02:06:35,400
and and he has but oh Shannon comes out

3010
02:06:43,189 --> 02:06:39,300
and says yeah yeah and and the the the

3011
02:06:44,810 --> 02:06:43,199
the the comment in uh on page one of the

3012
02:06:47,030 --> 02:06:44,820
document if you go back and you read it

3013
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:47,040
really closely makes those comments Oak

3014
02:06:51,530 --> 02:06:49,320
Shannon's health issues difficult to get

3015
02:06:54,530 --> 02:06:51,540
a hold of together I'm glad that we're

3016
02:06:57,589 --> 02:06:54,540
finally talking about the old Shannon

3017
02:06:59,990 --> 02:06:57,599
backs all of that right yeah yeah so but

3018
02:07:02,149 --> 02:07:00,000
again if but if this is a fabricated

3019
02:07:04,430 --> 02:07:02,159
story those types of elements are going

3020
02:07:05,930 --> 02:07:04,440
to be in here because it was likely that

3021
02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:05,940
a lot of those individuals knew each

3022
02:07:11,570 --> 02:07:09,000
other sure so that's so nobody's shying

3023
02:07:13,370 --> 02:07:11,580
away that the whole thing is bunk but

3024
02:07:15,950 --> 02:07:13,380
talking about Oak Shannon's health

3025
02:07:17,810 --> 02:07:15,960
issues or an introduction even even

3026
02:07:19,970 --> 02:07:17,820
though the question still stands on why

3027
02:07:22,850 --> 02:07:19,980
Wilson would Neato Shannon for vetting

3028
02:07:24,589 --> 02:07:22,860
so but that aside those types of things

3029
02:07:27,169 --> 02:07:24,599
just they don't drive it home for me

3030
02:07:30,229 --> 02:07:27,179
because and I respect that but here's

3031
02:07:34,189 --> 02:07:30,239
but this we're going back my original

3032
02:07:36,530 --> 02:07:34,199
point about bringing this up this is the

3033
02:07:38,830 --> 02:07:36,540
first time that you and I or anybody

3034
02:07:42,350 --> 02:07:38,840
else can have this kind of conversation

3035
02:07:44,990 --> 02:07:42,360
we've never had the ability before to do

3036
02:07:48,229 --> 02:07:45,000
this we've never had Bobby Ray Inman

3037
02:07:50,450 --> 02:07:48,239
come out of it and and make a public

3038
02:07:54,770 --> 02:07:50,460
statement about something

3039
02:07:58,010 --> 02:07:54,780
um so uh or Twining right a Ford stall

3040
02:08:00,530 --> 02:07:58,020
whatever but but here we we have that

3041
02:08:02,510 --> 02:08:00,540
and we are able to have this

3042
02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:02,520
conversation and that's the exciting

3043
02:08:06,950 --> 02:08:05,040
part is this the first time that we are

3044
02:08:10,729 --> 02:08:06,960
able to talk like this in these terms

3045
02:08:13,129 --> 02:08:10,739
and I say yeah the answer is yes

3046
02:08:14,089 --> 02:08:13,139
I think I missed what you're getting at

3047
02:08:17,750 --> 02:08:14,099
you're just talking about the the

3048
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,760
supporting we have one of the named

3049
02:08:22,609 --> 02:08:19,280
people

3050
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:22,619
yeah coming out and and and and it

3051
02:08:27,530 --> 02:08:24,960
allows us to have this conversation yeah

3052
02:08:29,209 --> 02:08:27,540
it's never happened before yeah I don't

3053
02:08:30,830 --> 02:08:29,219
I don't disagree with that I think for

3054
02:08:33,229 --> 02:08:30,840
me though at the end of the day is is

3055
02:08:35,390 --> 02:08:33,239
those unanswered questions with the gaps

3056
02:08:36,290 --> 02:08:35,400
that cannot be filled and and is it

3057
02:08:37,790 --> 02:08:36,300
interesting that he made the

3058
02:08:39,649 --> 02:08:37,800
introduction and came out sure that's

3059
02:08:41,990 --> 02:08:39,659
why I reached out to him I mean look if

3060
02:08:44,330 --> 02:08:42,000
I'm wrong about these notes and and

3061
02:08:46,490 --> 02:08:44,340
their their non-fiction and then they're

3062
02:08:49,910 --> 02:08:46,500
true I'll be the first to admit it why

3063
02:08:51,950 --> 02:08:49,920
it changes the world so I'm fine with

3064
02:08:54,470 --> 02:08:51,960
that I I don't mind it's it's not that

3065
02:08:56,270 --> 02:08:54,480
so so that's why I immediately reached

3066
02:08:58,370 --> 02:08:56,280
out to him and credit to Jay from

3067
02:08:59,990 --> 02:08:58,380
Project Unity for meeting with Oak

3068
02:09:01,490 --> 02:09:00,000
Shannon and getting him to agree to the

3069
02:09:04,430 --> 02:09:01,500
interview all that is awesome there's

3070
02:09:08,209 --> 02:09:04,440
there's nothing wrong with that it's

3071
02:09:10,370 --> 02:09:08,219
just at the end the real elements to the

3072
02:09:12,290 --> 02:09:10,380
notes which I I think anybody could see

3073
02:09:14,750 --> 02:09:12,300
that there are are factual elements

3074
02:09:16,010 --> 02:09:14,760
don't put the rest of the dominoes in

3075
02:09:18,589 --> 02:09:16,020
place and I think that that just

3076
02:09:20,629 --> 02:09:18,599
supports that if they are fiction that

3077
02:09:23,089 --> 02:09:20,639
it could just mean that whomever created

3078
02:09:25,129 --> 02:09:23,099
the fiction was involved in that group

3079
02:09:27,709 --> 02:09:25,139
and they took elements from this person

3080
02:09:30,530 --> 02:09:27,719
elements from that company elements from

3081
02:09:32,750 --> 02:09:30,540
this person and and and put it all into

3082
02:09:35,030 --> 02:09:32,760
a story and again yes I made the joke

3083
02:09:37,070 --> 02:09:35,040
about the TV show but I'm only half

3084
02:09:40,669 --> 02:09:37,080
joking because when you create that type

3085
02:09:43,250 --> 02:09:40,679
of a fictionalized scenario that's what

3086
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:43,260
you need you need to stand on things

3087
02:09:47,209 --> 02:09:44,880
that were real you look at the X-Files

3088
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:47,219
and I use this example in the video that

3089
02:09:52,430 --> 02:09:50,400
there are real things in there that they

3090
02:09:55,129 --> 02:09:52,440
crutched their stories on sometimes it

3091
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:55,139
was a UFO case you have mufon that found

3092
02:09:59,629 --> 02:09:57,840
their way into X-Files but but the

3093
02:10:02,030 --> 02:09:59,639
introduction to those real elements

3094
02:10:04,370 --> 02:10:02,040
doesn't make the rest of the X-Files a

3095
02:10:06,589 --> 02:10:04,380
documentary it's just taking real

3096
02:10:09,589 --> 02:10:06,599
elements that are out there because the

3097
02:10:12,169 --> 02:10:09,599
creative writers took that to crutch the

3098
02:10:14,149 --> 02:10:12,179
story into real reality made made it

3099
02:10:16,729 --> 02:10:14,159
more believable for fans like us we're

3100
02:10:19,310 --> 02:10:16,739
like oh my God mufon I know that I know

3101
02:10:22,189 --> 02:10:19,320
that organization and and that's where

3102
02:10:24,290 --> 02:10:22,199
it um really works in in a fiction a

3103
02:10:26,629 --> 02:10:24,300
fictionalized story in in the fiction

3104
02:10:28,550 --> 02:10:26,639
world so you know those real elements

3105
02:10:29,930 --> 02:10:28,560
yes they're interesting and I know I'm

3106
02:10:31,609 --> 02:10:29,940
not debating you on this but I'm just

3107
02:10:33,890 --> 02:10:31,619
saying generally they're they're

3108
02:10:35,990 --> 02:10:33,900
interesting but it just supports that

3109
02:10:38,570 --> 02:10:36,000
from day one that there are real

3110
02:10:40,010 --> 02:10:38,580
elements to these notes uh and nobody's

3111
02:10:43,970 --> 02:10:40,020
denying that part but it doesn't make

3112
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:43,980
the rest of it uh real except

3113
02:10:48,169 --> 02:10:46,800
it's now part of the public record in

3114
02:10:51,530 --> 02:10:48,179
Congress

3115
02:10:54,589 --> 02:10:51,540
right John these are exciting times my

3116
02:10:56,450 --> 02:10:54,599
friend that could that could backfire by

3117
02:10:59,450 --> 02:10:56,460
the way but it made me a different show

3118
02:11:00,649 --> 02:10:59,460
oh quit poo-poohing on everything there

3119
02:11:01,729 --> 02:11:00,659
were so many other cool things they

3120
02:11:04,550 --> 02:11:01,739
could have put in Congressional Record

3121
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:04,560
and asked about that yeah yeah you're

3122
02:11:10,970 --> 02:11:06,960
right about that you're right about that

3123
02:11:13,550 --> 02:11:10,980
um hey thank you we we went way over

3124
02:11:15,649 --> 02:11:13,560
um so just thank you for that and I've

3125
02:11:17,870 --> 02:11:15,659
got to get you uh out to the house and

3126
02:11:20,810 --> 02:11:17,880
uh let's barbecue and then we'll drive

3127
02:11:22,189 --> 02:11:20,820
down to uh Lockheed and get arrested all

3128
02:11:23,689 --> 02:11:22,199
right yeah I'm looking forward to that

3129
02:11:25,729 --> 02:11:23,699
I'll bring video cameras we'll put them

3130
02:11:27,649 --> 02:11:25,739
over the fence good job you're the best

3131
02:11:29,810 --> 02:11:27,659
man I'll talk to you tomorrow man thank

3132
02:11:32,089 --> 02:11:29,820
you so much thanks I appreciate it the

3133
02:11:34,310 --> 02:11:32,099
very best John Greenwald The Black Vault

3134
02:11:37,729 --> 02:11:34,320
that's what I'm talking about the the

3135
02:11:40,189 --> 02:11:37,739
world needs more of what we just did

3136
02:11:41,390 --> 02:11:40,199
let's just talk man let's talk through

3137
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:41,400
this thing

3138
02:11:48,709 --> 02:11:45,119
that's all that's all let's just talk

3139
02:11:51,129 --> 02:11:48,719
wonderful show tonight thank you John uh

3140
02:11:53,930 --> 02:11:51,139
just absolutely incredible everybody the

3141
02:11:55,310 --> 02:11:53,940
blackvault.com is is where you want to

3142
02:11:58,370 --> 02:11:55,320
go hang out his radio show and

3143
02:12:00,649 --> 02:11:58,380
everything else is right there over at

3144
02:12:02,270 --> 02:12:00,659
The Black Vault Fade to Black is

3145
02:12:04,250 --> 02:12:02,280
produced by whom Jay Palm Renee Dennis

3146
02:12:06,649 --> 02:12:04,260
and Kevin

3147
02:12:08,930 --> 02:12:06,659
webmaster is true the geek music right

3148
02:12:11,330 --> 02:12:08,940
now you're listening to Doug Aldridge

3149
02:12:13,609 --> 02:12:11,340
the intro to the show that's space boy

3150
02:12:16,070 --> 02:12:13,619
spaceboymusic.com

3151
02:12:17,450 --> 02:12:16,080
Fade to Black is on the copyrighted 2022

3152
02:12:19,550 --> 02:12:17,460
by faded black and The Game Changer

3153
02:12:21,229 --> 02:12:19,560
Network Inc it cannot be rebroadcast

3154
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:21,239
downloaded copied or used anywhere in

3155
02:12:24,109 --> 02:12:22,800
the known universe without written

3156
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:24,119
permission from Fade to Black in the

3157
02:12:26,450 --> 02:12:25,440
game changer Network I'm Yours Jimmy

3158
02:12:27,830 --> 02:12:26,460
Church

3159
02:12:29,209 --> 02:12:27,840
I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow

3160
02:12:32,089 --> 02:12:29,219
night by the way

3161
02:12:34,310 --> 02:12:32,099
I've got a guess booked Maybe not maybe

3162
02:12:35,750 --> 02:12:34,320
I'll just do an AMA maybe I'll take the

3163
02:12:37,970 --> 02:12:35,760
night off

3164
02:12:41,810 --> 02:12:37,980
I don't know

3165
02:12:48,530 --> 02:12:41,820
everybody have a great safe night

3166
02:12:48,540 --> 02:12:58,530
foreign

3167
02:13:27,550 --> 02:13:07,980
[Music]